Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:38 am  

Willzay wrote:

Despite the few that defend it it's a farcical system.

I think the system is fine. It's the decisions made by the people in the system and the lack of consistency in those decisions that's the problem.

I don't know for certain but I'm willing to bet that the members of the panel don't look at past, similar incidents when making their decisions. Which is what they should do to ensure punishments are roughly similar, at least in the same season.

The RFL should be providing guidelines/instruction for particular issues that last throughout the season and not just for the start.


As ever with RL, if we want a part of it to be better we need to get better people in it and give them the resources to do the job properly. Which probably means spending more money on the disciplinary system. As I get the impression the disciplinary meetings currently more closely resemble that of an amateur league disciplinary meeting than a pro sport.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:28 am  

the obvious issue is that they grade the offence, give a range of possible punishments, then go outside that.

If O'loughlin can get 1 game for the offence, then the range of punishments for that offence isnt 2-3 games its 1-3 games. That makes no sense. If there were mitigating circumstances then that is what means the punishment is at the bottom end for that grading, not that we suddenly ignore the grading.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:31 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

the obvious issue is that they grade the offence, give a range of possible punishments, then go outside that.

If O'loughlin can get 1 game for the offence, then the range of punishments for that offence isnt 2-3 games its 1-3 games. That makes no sense. If there were mitigating circumstances then that is what means the punishment is at the bottom end for that grading, not that we suddenly ignore the grading.

Spot on.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:38 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Spot on.

It's not spot on. It should be but that's not the system. The MRP send offences to the diciplinary with a recommendation, it's up to the diciplinary as to whether they agree with it or not and then to consider the incident and any mitigating or aggravating factors. I'd rather the MRP simply decide whether to charge or not charge and the diciplinary then decide the grade and punishment which would eliminate perceived controversy such as the SOL case.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:46 am  

To answer the title of the thread a notion of penalising team mates of a player who received a lenient punishment in order to 'redeem' themselves is more farcical than the RFL.

Comparing the incidents as some are is none sense as they are completely different offences.

Charnley was dumb, I understand his frustration but he was dumb and deserves whatever he gets. Touching the ref is something that isn't and shouldn't be allowed.

Tautai got it very wrong. Players are well aware that they cannot enter a tackle in such a manor, from what I've seen of similar incidents grade B is probably right.

What I will say and have said on many occasions in the past it the diciplinary IMO are generally too lenient and (again IMO) most offences should get longer bans than what they do.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:51 pm  

Willzay wrote:

Despite the few that defend it it's a farcical system.

99% of charges receive no question or criticism. Of the 1% that do, a great many of the complaints and demands for change make little sense and would likely be detrimental to the 99% of the cases that everyone is happy with.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:10 pm  

Trainman wrote:

It should be but that's not the system.

That was my point.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:32 pm  

Ben Currie touched Richard Silverwood during Wires cup game against Leigh last season (search on the well known video hosting site for challenge cup 2015 warrington leigh and go to 61:30 in the match). For that innocuous little push Currie got three games reduced to two with an EGP. Any less than three for Charnley would be a farce.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:54 pm  

Charnley 2 matches and £300 fine.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:04 pm  

Talima Tautai pleads not guilty to dangerous contact, found guilty. 2 match ban and £300 fine.