: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:12 pm  

vastman wrote:

What has the way a Ltd company spends it's money got to do with you.

For a club that is only kept afloat by a sugar daddy, a team with virtually no home grown players, a stadium rented from a football team, fans who mostly turn up on a freebie, to question another is a touch rich. However it's really non of my business how the body snatchers of SL spend the old mans money.

had someone else, a fan of another club said that Vasty, you can be sure you would be wading in, insults flying and demanding an apology

i would have hope recent events may have taught you how unimportant RL really is in the scheme of things and things like this are really un called for

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:12 pm  

Marsdengiant wrote:

Why? You had £100K for Bird.

Because a club is run to make a profit. The interest in Bird came at a time when Huddersfield were interested in Drew and i think i remember Kear saying 'We'll allow Brad to go if the deal is right for Wakefield Trinity and Brad', hence the interest in Bird. To sign him we'd offload a player.

Would you therefore consider Korkidas, a reserve player at Castleford, a poor signing considering you have Chris Lawson in your first team squad coupled with some good academy props and a small injury list?

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:15 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Hull seem to have plenty of props, Thackray could be a decent shot

but again, that isnt the point, If wakefield need a big offloading prop and cant find one here, fine got get Winterstein

but when you also cant find a winger so you need two players trained overseas, or a hooker, or a centre, or second row,

it stops being an issue of producing a big offloading prop and you start to wonder what we are actually producing,

and even then, Why do wakefield need 3 overseas hookers? is there really not a young british player good enough to be 3rd choice hooker? and why do you need Henderson, Martin and Demteriou when you have Atkins, and Gleeson who can play centre and Grix, snitch, wilkes, ferguson, bibb, pitts who can play 2nd row and you have let Golden go to Quins?

hes our only impact prop apart from sam moa who we are still waiting for so theres no chance we would let him go.

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:15 pm  

vastman wrote:

What has the way a Ltd company spends it's money got to do with you.

For a club that is only kept afloat by a sugar daddy, a team with virtually no home grown players, a stadium rented from a football team, fans who mostly turn up on a freebie, to question another is a touch rich. However it's really non of my business how the body snatchers of SL spend the old mans money.

And thats poor from you Vasty, more holes in that than my sieve on the draining board

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:16 pm  

The Clan wrote:

There's your problem fella!

You choose to add your own spin on what I said by adding to it and then you then ask me to justify a statement that I never made.

so there are no clubs like Wakefield in your opinion then?

and the statement

Like Trinity most clubs will need to bolster their team/squad with overseas signings of varied experience and quality all subject to the circumstances prevailing at the time.

should have read Like Trinity most clubs will need to bolster their team/squad with overseas signings of varied experience and quality all subject to the circumstances prevailing at the time, though none to the level of Wakefield

but you are wrong, still, Hull KR arent far off, they need to improve, as do Wigan, Bradford arent terrible but they have shown they can do better, Les Catalans still need a helping hand and they are improving but they could also do a little better

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:21 pm  

vastman wrote:

What has the way a Ltd company spends it's money got to do with you.

For a club that is only kept afloat by a sugar daddy, a team with virtually no home grown players, a stadium rented from a football team, fans who mostly turn up on a freebie, to question another is a touch rich. However it's really non of my business how the body snatchers of SL spend the old mans money.

I like it when you make things up. You're so funny. Facts are such pesky things

Are you the same Vatsman who said on page 10 that you were moving on?

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:22 pm  

The Clan wrote:

Careful Smokey, your facade is slipping

did that really go over your head?

It is! And in time it will do so in greater numbers.

where? how can you argue that its making it onto the pitch when you have 11 overseas players

Anyone with any knowledge of how youth development works will understand that success is gauged on an individual basis.
One young player produced is a success.

no it isnt, producing one player simply isnt good enough, the law of averages means even if you put no effort at all in to youth development you will eventually produce a player of quality through sheer blind luck,

To produce greater numbers of 1st grade players means broadening the base and that means greater finance and resource.
There are a number of reasons why some clubs are better positioned to grow their Youth programmes more quickly than others.

and here is where you start making excuses again, why poor little wakefield need some help, like they are in a remedial class or something, they are an SL club, and we demand SL results from them, if they cant produce them, then they need to think about whether SL is the right level for them

Which is why I chose to include them in my statement.

to detract from your own point, strange choice,

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:25 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

so there are no clubs like Wakefield in your opinion then?

and the statement

Like Trinity most clubs will need to bolster their team/squad with overseas signings of varied experience and quality all subject to the circumstances prevailing at the time.

should have read Like Trinity most clubs will need to bolster their team/squad with overseas signings of varied experience and quality all subject to the circumstances prevailing at the time, though none to the level of Wakefield

but you are wrong, still, Hull KR arent far off, they need to improve, as do Wigan, Bradford arent terrible but they have shown they can do better, Les Catalans still need a helping hand and they are improving but they could also do a little better

Clubs will bolster their squads with overseas players, some players better than others, depending upon their circumstances.

Some clubs need less overseas players because they are in a better/different situation than another club.

Every club bolsters their squad to some degree,
as do Wakefield

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:28 pm  

Trinity Till Death wrote:

Because a club is run to make a profit. The interest in Bird came at a time when Huddersfield were interested in Drew and i think i remember Kear saying 'We'll allow Brad to go if the deal is right for Wakefield Trinity and Brad', hence the interest in Bird. To sign him we'd offload a player.

Would you therefore consider Korkidas, a reserve player at Castleford, a poor signing considering you have Chris Lawson in your first team squad coupled with some good academy props and a small injury list?

You have your timeline all wrong re Bird and Brad. But never mind it is a good story.

Your Korki comment shows your desperation. He played 21 times last year (over 75%) whereas FW managed 5 (under 20%). You clearly have trouble understanding what reserve grade is - you'll fit in well at wakey!

Your comment on Laws is cheap. You want us to throw him into SL after major surgery - that is sick. You may do that in wakey, not at the Giants.

: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:31 pm  

Ha ha!

Just for the record, Huddersfield are a team with at least as many and maybe more academy products who've played first grade than Wakefield (Jackson, Raleigh, Crabtree, Cudjoe, Lawrence), have far more promising youngsters (McGilvary, Sampson, Lopag, McNally, Johnson, Barber, Chappell, Worthington and loads more at 15/16 signing up). Have higher attendances and ST holders in 2008 than Wakey and well over 5k season ticket holders for this season. We part own our ground, a ground in which the football team have a zero holding which makes it impossible for us to rent off them.

In short, we're developing. We're getting better and better in all areas of development. Other clubs stagnate and in 3 years they may well be out of SL. Many will shed tears when this happens, although quite a few will be tears of joy!