FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Saints squad, can they be stopped?
Phuzzy 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5505
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 19 200618 years122nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Dec 24 23:4428th Nov 24 00:46LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:38 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
Not really. In all seriousness, there is more validity in winning trophies at a time when there is a level playing field than when there isn't. Pre-1985 and post 1995 are the two windows that count. Wigan probably still ahead anyway? Leeds similar, if not ahead of Saints too?

Tell that to all the sports that don't, for example, have a salary cap. There is no such thing as a level playing field in sport. How was Saints' "COVID year" title a "level playing field" for example. Then there's injuries etc. No title is EVER won on a level playing field.

As usual you're talking your one eyed, selective nonsense.
RankPostsTeam
First Team Player1375
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 14 20204 years139th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 16:4719th Nov 24 16:08LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:29 pm  
Phuzzy wrote:
Tell that to all the sports that don't, for example, have a salary cap. There is no such thing as a level playing field in sport. How was Saints' "COVID year" title a "level playing field" for example. Then there's injuries etc. No title is EVER won on a level playing field.

As usual you're talking your one eyed, selective nonsense.


And they played less games than others in the covid era
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4470
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20 201312 years112th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Oct 24 20:089th Oct 24 17:15LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Watching Rugby League

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:50 pm  
Jason65 wrote:
You can have 1 year maybe 2 as Wigan being fully pro,Leeds the year after.

And yes Wigan are ahead ,Saints second then Leeds.
But lets fact not get in the way of a one eyed demented argument with some bitter fans.


Wigan went fully pro in 1895 and prevented every club from following suit or from signing any big players. The likes of Saints, Leeds, Hull and Widnes spending big money on Aussie players was all a mirage and didn't really happen. The odd time they did come over they took a job on the local brickie site too.

Wigan also didn't have a tonne of local talent to pick, they were all made at other clubs and then we stole them with bags of money. Only Wigan signed big players from RU too.

Naughty Wigan holding the sport back.
Seth 
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner6727No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 16 200421 years7th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Dec 24 21:0027th Nov 24 19:18LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Meltham

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:44 am  
The quality of the game peaked around 2002 - 2015, who won the most titles in that period?

This current saints team have dominated a particularly weak era for SL even their biggest wind up merchant reminds us of that.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4334
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 09 201114 years248th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Jul 24 06:4919th Jul 24 06:40LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Shipley, Bradford
Signature
BULLSBOY2011:
'Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!'

Bradford Bulls Fan Since Birth :)

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:55 am  
Seth wrote:
The quality of the game peaked around 2002 - 2015, who won the most titles in that period?

This current saints team have dominated a particularly weak era for SL even their biggest wind up merchant reminds us of that.


Can you include it from 2001? Just so that Bradford have 3 Super League titles and 5 Grand Final appearances :lol:

Leeds = 7 Titles (8 finals)
St Helens = 3 Titles (8 finals)
Bradford = 3 Titles (5 finals)
Wigan = 2 Titles (6 finals)
Warrington = 0 Titles (2 finals)
Hull FC = 0 Titles (1 final)

Mad to think that Bradford were the only side to beat Leeds in a Grand Final over that period and there were some really bloody good Wigan, Saints and Warrington teams in that period. Really shows just how good Leeds were and the players they had that could consistently do it on the big stage.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach15798
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20 200519 years109th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Dec 24 21:5127th Nov 24 16:36LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Listening to the reggae band, Jihad
Signature
"BOHICA"

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:12 pm  
Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:
Can you include it from 2001? Just so that Bradford have 3 Super League titles and 5 Grand Final appearances :lol:

Leeds = 7 Titles (8 finals)
St Helens = 3 Titles (8 finals)
Bradford = 3 Titles (5 finals)
Wigan = 2 Titles (6 finals)
Warrington = 0 Titles (2 finals)
Hull FC = 0 Titles (1 final)

Mad to think that Bradford were the only side to beat Leeds in a Grand Final over that period and there were some really bloody good Wigan, Saints and Warrington teams in that period. Really shows just how good Leeds were and the players they had that could consistently do it on the big stage.


but none of them compare to the current Saints team 'apparently'
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4334
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 09 201114 years248th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Jul 24 06:4919th Jul 24 06:40LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Shipley, Bradford
Signature
BULLSBOY2011:
'Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!'

Bradford Bulls Fan Since Birth :)

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:30 pm  
[Gareth] wrote:
but none of them compare to the current Saints team 'apparently'


Tbf I’ve recently had some time off work and I’ve watched a fair few old games involving all those teams and some World Club Challenges.

The game has changed massively. Even from 2001 to the product on field of 2015 there were massive differences. In my opinion you can’t compare eras. There’s a lot more that goes into breaking a defensive line these days, more structure in defence (unless your Wakey). Teams looked knackered quicker because fitness weren’t as good and no-one wrestled in the ruck. Would the likes of Anderson and Vagana who were massive cope with the fitter props of Walmsley and Lees? I’m not sure. It’s a difficult one which is why comparing eras are difficult.

What I can say. Is look at the last 10 years. St Helens have been the best side or at least one of the top 2/3. With 4 on the bounce. This St Helens team is this eras Leeds (2004-2015).

Arguably it’s harder these days to win the comp as there are more teams able to compete. Even the likes of Salford, Warrington and Cas have been there or there abouts over the last 10 years. Catalans and Huddersfield have teams that can compete. Back then there was Bradford, Saints and Wigan. Leeds were there or there abouts until 2004. And on one occasion I think London did well.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2924No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 15 20204 years44th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
2nd Dec 24 00:322nd Dec 24 00:29LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:03 pm  
The main thing that has frustrated me with the game in the ladt decade or so, is that it has stagnated tactically. If you watch footage of the game over it's history, every 10 or 15 years, the game looks very different. However, this evolution seemed to stop at around 2010, after first Nathan Brown introduced wrestling at the ruck, and then Maguire took it to another level. The only attacking innovation we've seen since then has been the use of the full back as an extra pivot.
The game is overdue some new ideas.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4334
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 09 201114 years248th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Jul 24 06:4919th Jul 24 06:40LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Shipley, Bradford
Signature
BULLSBOY2011:
'Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!'

Bradford Bulls Fan Since Birth :)

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:42 pm  
Jack Burton wrote:
The main thing that has frustrated me with the game in the ladt decade or so, is that it has stagnated tactically. If you watch footage of the game over it's history, every 10 or 15 years, the game looks very different. However, this evolution seemed to stop at around 2010, after first Nathan Brown introduced wrestling at the ruck, and then Maguire took it to another level. The only attacking innovation we've seen since then has been the use of the full back as an extra pivot.
The game is overdue some new ideas.


Potentially why the 6 again rule came in. In order to stop the wrestling and allow quicker rucks, allowing more breaks in the field of play due to retreating defenders. But now people want rid of that rule. So what else could we do to stop the stagnating of the game?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7107
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 21 200717 years146th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 11:3118th Nov 24 08:26LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
nosorożce biorą to w dupę

Re: Saints squad, can they be stopped? : Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:58 am  
Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:
Can you include it from 2001? Just so that Bradford have 3 Super League titles and 5 Grand Final appearances :lol:

Leeds = 7 Titles (8 finals)
St Helens = 3 Titles (8 finals)
Bradford = 3 Titles (5 finals)
Wigan = 2 Titles (6 finals)
Warrington = 0 Titles (2 finals)
Hull FC = 0 Titles (1 final)

Mad to think that Bradford were the only side to beat Leeds in a Grand Final over that period and there were some really bloody good Wigan, Saints and Warrington teams in that period. Really shows just how good Leeds were and the players they had that could consistently do it on the big stage.


Superleague peaked in 2005 - FACT
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 68 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to The Virtual Terrace


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
42m
2025 Recruitment
Highlander
230
46m
Ground Improvements
Dunkirk Spir
245
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Clearwing
553
Recent
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
RfE
13
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
29s
Rumours and signings v9
NSW
28912
37s
Transfer Talk V5
Clearwing
553
38s
2025 Shirt
Zig
28
42s
2025 Recruitment
Highlander
230
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Jack Burton
2642
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
1m
Mike Cooper podcast
matt_wire
21
3m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
26
3m
Leeds away first up
PopTart
54
5m
New signings
WelshGiant
13
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
Irregs#16
8
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
matt_wire
21
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
42m
2025 Recruitment
Highlander
230
46m
Ground Improvements
Dunkirk Spir
245
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Clearwing
553
Recent
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
RfE
13
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
29s
Rumours and signings v9
NSW
28912
37s
Transfer Talk V5
Clearwing
553
38s
2025 Shirt
Zig
28
42s
2025 Recruitment
Highlander
230
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Jack Burton
2642
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
1m
Mike Cooper podcast
matt_wire
21
3m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
26
3m
Leeds away first up
PopTart
54
5m
New signings
WelshGiant
13
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
Irregs#16
8
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
matt_wire
21
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!