[tb]

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:20 pm  

TheButcher wrote:

Maybe if he wants to seriously raise issues about refs, he should perhaps refrain from raising the issue straight after his team got a thumping. It just smacks of sour grapes. Just a thought.

And perhaps through a more appropriate channel than an after-match press conference?

As was said on another forum

we can't expect players to respect the officials if we let coaches shoot from the hip - even if they are emotional and straight after the hooter.

Precisely. What kind of example does it set to people in the amateur and junior games too, where match officials are generally less experienced and young people themselves?

RB wrote:

He can say whatever he wants. All this 'don't criticise the refs', etc. is laughable.

You (and he) may find that that is not in fact the case.

[tb]

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:24 pm  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

He made a couple of major errors in that game - which is allowable, I guess, as long as he learns from them...e.g. in future dont shout "play on" when you mean "tackled", simple things like that.

He didn't. See my comment on the appropriate thread.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:29 pm  

tb wrote:

You (and he) may find that that is not in fact the case.

I know it's not the case but why shouldn't it be? He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, like yourself and I can.

[tb]

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:31 pm  

RB wrote:

I know it's not the case but why shouldn't it be? He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, like yourself and I can.

See my earlier post (or think of it like public criticism of the moderation process on here). There are ways and means (if he's got real complaints) – a public attack on an officials isn't one of them.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:38 pm  

RB wrote:

I know it's not the case but why shouldn't it be? He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, like yourself and I can.

Correction. He should grow up, and behave like an adult. he should learn how to lose gracefully, and he should use the proper channels if he has issues with officiating.

There is no reason why he shouldn't make tempered, proportionate replies to questions. There is every reason why he shouldn't behave like an ignorant, loudmouth, obnoxious twa.t. Responsibilities come with his elevated position, and he has let himself, his club and the game down appallingly, and set an extraordinarily bad example.

He has also unfairly reviled one of the country's top referees, knowing the object of his cheap slurs has no right of reply.

He should be ashamed of himself. At least Ricky Stuart was man enough to recognise how inappropriately he'd behaved. I'd recommend some of the same medicine to Justine.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:43 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Correction. He should grow up, and behave like an adult. he should learn how to lose gracefully, and he should use the proper channels if he has issues with officiating.

There is no reason why he shouldn't make tempered, proportionate replies to questions. There is every reason why he shouldn't behave like an ignorant, loudmouth, obnoxious twa.t. Responsibilities come with his elevated position, and he has let himself, his club and the game down appallingly, and set an extraordinarily bad example.

He has also unfairly reviled one of the country's top referees, knowing the object of his cheap slurs has no right of reply.

He should be ashamed of himself. At least Ricky Stuart was man enough to recognise how inappropriately he'd behaved. I'd recommend some of the same medicine to Justine.

Overreacted much? Calm down

He's not the first and definitely won't be the last, yet the refereeing standard has dropped, if anything. Coaches are only human and it's their jobs that are on the line at the end of the day.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:53 pm  

The bottom line here is Hudds were too good for HKR,and the coach should except that, its is players who he should be slagging off not the Ref.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:54 pm  

j_hunter_hkr wrote:

...yet the refereeing standard has dropped, if anything.

That, with respect, is just your lightweight view. I would say that - professional referee slaggers aside (and there are a fair few of those)- we have seen a lot of excellent refereeing this season so far, and the situation is (to any but the blind and irreversibly prejudiced) a whole lot better than the penaltythons we were having this time last year.

j_hunter_hkr wrote:

...Coaches are only human and it's their jobs that are on the line at the end of the day.

Don't make me laugh, whatever went on in that game, nothing the referee did bore any relation to Morgan's job tenure, which is hardly under threat. Even in the heat of the moment, Morgan was not speaking out of control, he'd no need to go overboard.

And whether or not his "job is on the line", this was in any case nothing to do with his attack. It was a very personal tirade making very specific and apalling accusations of incompetence.

[Kosh]

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:56 pm  

j_hunter_hkr wrote:

Overreacted much?

Yes, Morgan did.

: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:01 pm  

j_hunter_hkr wrote:

He's not blamed the referee for our defeat (we lost because we were pretty bad). He's raised a seperate issue of the poor standards we have to put up with week after week from certain officials.

Like I've said a few times, if I was as bad at my job as some of these "professional" referees are at theirs, I'd get sacked immediatley.

He's spitting his dummy put pure and simple. He's well within his rights to question and even complain about a referees performance but there are proper channels and I would suggest moaning in the media is not the best way to go about it.

As for refs been wrapped in cotton wool, what good would it do if Cummins came out and the ens of every round critisising his employees in the press, I'm sure they review the performances and try and improve. The moaning about referees by fans and managers alike is laughable at times.

Refs make mistakes, players make mistakes and managers make mistakes, its human nature, deal with it.

The refs do a very difficult job, the are making these decisions at match pace and often make decisions based on what the touch judge says apart from televised games they don't have the luxury of replays on TV. As I said the berating of referees by managers is getting stupid and I hope Morgan gets punishment for his latest outburst, he seems to be a very sore loser.