Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:23 pm  

Can't wait to read the meltdown on here when Toronto claim their place in Super League. Be even worse next season when the like a of Wakefield & Huddersfield are dragged into a relegation scrap with them too.

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:14 pm  

K-Diddy wrote:

Can't wait to read the meltdown on here when Toronto claim their place in Super League. Be even worse next season when the like a of Wakefield & Huddersfield are dragged into a relegation scrap with them too.

Don't think there will be a meltdown because anyone with a brain knows they've lost 1 game all season therefore are massive favourites and expected to get promoted.

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:16 pm  

Wellsy13 wrote:

Really what?

Reading through this thread and some of the bile from so called fans of the game makes it clear what is holding the game back -and it's not a club from the other side of the Atlantic, or wanting a particular club to succeed; it's fans who spread hate within their own sport.

While there is always rivalry between fans of different clubs and there are some genuine and serious reservations about the Toronto experiment (and I use "experiment" quite deliberately), you cant seriously blame the existing RL fans holding back the sport.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, Toronto have been superb in the way that they have sold RL to virgin RL fans and even allowing for "inflation" on their attendance numbers, someone over there has done a great job of selling the sport and for me, it is the ability to market and promote our sport which is lacking and very little to do with the fans that already watch the game over her.

If anything, our sport has relied to heavily on extracting more and more from the "same" group of fans and has abjectly failed to generate sufficient new interest in the game.

If you go back to the last world cup, where England performed pretty well.
The first international game following this was a mid week game v France at Leigh.

In just about any other sport, this fixture would have been sold out weeks in advance.

However, in RL, you have to be searching like hell to even know that these fixtures are taking place.
Myself and a group of lads were there from Wakefield but the attendance, for a full international was around 5000, which is just pitiful and the tickets were about £15 (I cant remember the exact figure).
The next international was at the Hull FC ground (KC/K Com) and again the crowd was poor.

Until "we" can promote these fixtures (and others) to new fans, the game will remain on it's booty, it's got absolutely zip to do with "bile form some so called fans".

You dont seem able to accept that not everyone buys into having N.American sides in SL, which is your prerogative.
I just dont agree with you.

NOBODY has "sold" the idea very well or, explained what the medium long term strategy is for developing the game over there.
If the "plan" is to, at some point, have a SL of, say 4, N. American sides, plus 2 French sides and only 6 UK sides in SL, I think that the game in the UK will die and despite having watched RL seriously for 30+ years, I would certainly walk away as a Trans Atlantic competition, with Leeds, Hull, Warrington, Wigan, Saints +1 has absolutely no appeal.

Sorry if that makes me bitter or full of bile but, that is MY opinion.

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:45 pm  

Toronto will get promoted I just don’t see them been around in 5 years time the cracks are already there unpaid suppliers stopping the TV games paying ridiculous money to average players getting no sky money and letting fans in for free it’s not a sustainable business model

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:26 pm  

I'm hoping Toronto win on Saturday to save us all from having to endure the disgraceful behavior of the Fev fans in 2020. Biggest set of neanderthals to follow RL in the UK ever.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:28 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

I'm hoping Toronto win on Saturday to save us all from having to endure the disgraceful behavior of the Fev fans in 2020. Biggest set of neanderthals to follow RL in the UK ever.

do they throw smoke bombs onto pitches?

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:55 pm  

Probably.

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:40 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

While there is always rivalry between fans of different clubs and there are some genuine and serious reservations about the Toronto experiment (and I use "experiment" quite deliberately), you cant seriously blame the existing RL fans holding back the sport.
I didn't blame all of them. I'm holding to account those that do spread hate to anything new in the game though.

Why the hell would anyone want to get involved in our sport when so many fans have stuck the boot in to anything outside of the North.
They're not proper fans if they're not wanting Fev to win. Toronto should go back to their own country.

We're the opposite of inviting.
So yes, that holds the game back massively.
It takes so much work to start the game in other areas of the world. You look online, and all you get is hate. Why bother?

wrencat1873 wrote:

As I mentioned in an earlier post, Toronto have been superb in the way that they have sold RL to virgin RL fans and even allowing for "inflation" on their attendance numbers, someone over there has done a great job of selling the sport and for me, it is the ability to market and promote our sport which is lacking and very little to do with the fans that already watch the game over her.

If anything, our sport has relied to heavily on extracting more and more from the "same" group of fans and has abjectly failed to generate sufficient new interest in the game.

If you go back to the last world cup, where England performed pretty well.
The first international game following this was a mid week game v France at Leigh.

In just about any other sport, this fixture would have been sold out weeks in advance.

However, in RL, you have to be searching like hell to even know that these fixtures are taking place.
Myself and a group of lads were there from Wakefield but the attendance, for a full international was around 5000, which is just pitiful and the tickets were about £15 (I cant remember the exact figure).
The next international was at the Hull FC ground (KC/K Com) and again the crowd was poor.

Can't argue with any of that. It's beside the point though.

wrencat1873 wrote:

Until "we" can promote these fixtures (and others) to new fans, the game will remain on it's booty, it's got absolutely zip to do with "bile form some so called fans".

It's not one or the other. It's both.
We are a disorganised sport with a large section of uninviting fans.

wrencat1873 wrote:

You dont seem able to accept that not everyone buys into having N.American sides in SL, which is your prerogative.
I just dont agree with you.

No idea where you've got that from. People can have whatever opinion they like. They just don't need to spread hate. It doesn't make their point stronger, it makes their point weaker.
I don't buy the need for the comments made about Toronto just because they don't buy into it. Why can't they just say a reason... Much much like you just did?

wrencat1873 wrote:

NOBODY has "sold" the idea very well or, explained what the medium long term strategy is for developing the game over there.
If the "plan" is to, at some point, have a SL of, say 4, N. American sides, plus 2 French sides and only 6 UK sides in SL, I think that the game in the UK will die and despite having watched RL seriously for 30+ years, I would certainly walk away as a Trans Atlantic competition, with Leeds, Hull, Warrington, Wigan, Saints +1 has absolutely no appeal.

All fair arguments. Doesn't require the hate speeches posted against them by a large section of fans and the bandwagons they all join.

wrencat1873 wrote:

Sorry if that makes me bitter or full of bile but, that is MY opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion. Bitterness would be you lacking reasons behind it, which you have articulated well.
Unfortunately, too many (way too many) don't. It really does hold the game back. It's ok for us who were born and bred it, but try bringing someone from outside the game in to join the sh*tshow online about new clubs.

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:52 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

I'm hoping Toronto win on Saturday to save us all from having to endure the disgraceful behavior of the Fev fans in 2020. Biggest set of neanderthals to follow RL in the UK ever.

They are diabolical. They could start a fight in an empty room.

Re: Promotion preference : Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:36 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

do they throw smoke bombs onto pitches?

The last fev game I was at they set a fire work off when Leeds were lining up a conversation at 68-10 . It was 4.30pm on a bright August afternoon.

I still want fev to win though.