[Mild Rover]

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:36 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

No, no you don't.

Cas - not looked close to a trophy in god knows how many years, but are bringing through some great young players, as well as some of they're former youth team members maturing with the club (like huby)

Warrington - been consistently on the rise for the last 10 years or so, yet to produce any talent of real note.

(To both Warrington and cas fans, this was not a slant at either of your teams, and I don't want to get into a "but this one time" arguments, it is merely a generalised statement)

Success doesn't breed good youth development, good youth development breeds success. I feel like I've said this before

And yet Warrington have been more successful than Cas in recent years.

What breeds success is big piles of money, sensibly managed. Tbh, I think you need both a top team and top development. But if I had to choose I'd rather win like Warrington than be admired like Cas. Different clubs in different circumstances, obviously.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:41 am  

Red-Devils-PAW wrote:

I think he realizes that.He also realizes that to attract those young players he requires a successful first team,first.

Youth is the long game. Koucash presumably wants to attack it from all angles.
Invest in youth for the future (to be fair, Salford already produce a few decent youngsters), but gt some big names in to attract the species and get them away from the foot of the table.

Its very hard to buy success for a club like Salford. They've proably had to pay over the odds to get players to join them (compared to them signing for a club like, say, Leeds), but the higher up the table they get, the less this will apply to future signings.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:43 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

What breeds success is big piles of money, sensibly managed.

This is the most sensible thing posted on this thread (though of course, it could lead to another 20 pages of what sensibly managed means )

(And I only used cas because if I used one of the big clubs, who are just as successful as Warrington, apparently buying players in the 80s means that it doesn't count. That said looking at the table right now, it's definitely looking brighter for cas than wire! )

Every club, regardless of budget has the opportunity to blood, and retain their best young players. But some teams do it better than others. You don't need success to do so, and it irritates me people saying you need success for youth development, because it's just a lazy excuse imo.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:49 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

And yet Warrington have been more successful than Cas in recent years.

What breeds success is big piles of money, sensibly managed. Tbh, I think you need both a top team and top development. But if I had to choose I'd rather win like Warrington than be admired like Cas. Different clubs in different circumstances, obviously.

Money's certainly never a bad thing.
My club have a shiney new stadium and are building towards financial stability, but it taken a boat load of cash to be spend and written off by the "investors".

What puzzles me about the London thing, Gutterfax says that his man has invested/poured away over £13mil into the London broncos and they are looking weaker than ever. SURELY a man who has that sort of cash to play with has the business acumen to make a half decent job of it (or access to people to do it for him)?

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:50 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

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Every club, regardless of budget has the opportunity to blood, and retain their best young players. But some teams do it better than others. You don't need success to do so, and it irritates me people saying you need success for youth development, because it's just a lazy excuse imo.

I'm not essentially disagreeing with you, but you should in fairness also say that if you really are good at it and "develop" the best players who are actually amongst the best young players in the league, not just your club, but your team isn't one of the best teams in the league, then retaining many of the ambitious ones may be impossible.

This is not an argument against developing them, but all clubs who then lose them understand the frustration.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:03 am  

Genuine question: How is Koukash doing with regard to marketing Salford on a local basis? We've all seen/heard/read things he's got into the national media and he's certainly raised the club's profile in that sense; but is he depending on that alone to attract a new audience or is he undertaking serious marketing at a local level as well?

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:42 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I'm not essentially disagreeing with you, but you should in fairness also say that if you really are good at it and "develop" the best players who are actually amongst the best young players in the league, not just your club, but your team isn't one of the best teams in the league, then retaining many of the ambitious ones may be impossible.

This is not an argument against developing them, but all clubs who then lose them understand the frustration.

But that's true of every team. The "big clubs" lose as many to aus/ RU as the "little teams" do to the "big clubs" - it's how you deal with it. I actually think part of developing youngsters now has to include building a certain culture within them, to keep them. There were rumours for years about the clique in the Leeds team, but if it helps them keep their best talent, why do they care?

It's a frustrating cycle for all at the moment, until teams are given teeth to defend their own products.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:54 am  

John Gilbert Reds wrote:

Stop being so sensitive I was responding to the "how much has he actually spent at Salford" comment.

That's what I meant, you daft get.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:22 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I'm not essentially disagreeing with you, but you should in fairness also say that if you really are good at it and "develop" the best players who are actually amongst the best young players in the league, not just your club, but your team isn't one of the best teams in the league, then retaining many of the ambitious ones may be impossible.

This is not an argument against developing them, but all clubs who then lose them understand the frustration.

There are also other factors that can play a part.

Bradford would probably have retained L.Pryce and Peacock if they hadn't signed Iestyn Harris.

Re: The mad doctor : Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:59 pm  

I was born in Salford but many years ago moved to Rochdale. I work in Stockport
I feel the club is better known and that's a start: one RU fan told me when I started work here 7 years ago (almost to the day) that I was the first RL fan she had met who went to any game.
I also feel he's put the club onto a more 21st century footing so marketing success can be quickly followed up.

His use of tweets (OK sometimes overuse) and facebook fits what a lot of organisations are doing to market themselves.

For now: good, needs to progress and much is expected.