Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:56 am  

Noel Cleal wrote:

£100k a month??? How is that even possible.

They spend £1.6m a year on first team players, get £1m a year from Sky so they have to pay £50k a month out of their own pockets for the players.

You would think that other staff and rent would get cancelled out by shirt sales, sponsorship and gates.

I guess having 10k fans that pay buttons for their season tickets doesn't help but there has to be something else going on to lose that much during the season.

Stadium upkeep (now rent), debt interest etc etc

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:58 am  

Starbug wrote:

They dont have any

Players under contract, the commercial facility at Odsal

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:17 am  

littlerich wrote:

Replace one financially weak club with another? Why?

Maybe some SL clubs should be asking themselves if they can really afford full time squads.

This, and the similar "time to reduce the cap" argument will lead us into a race to the bottom. Similar to the Tories austerity plans. We (the game) can either go all out to grow our income (not without risk of course), or obsess with shrinking our costs. The latter plan is deeply flawed, because unfortunately we have the spectre of Union which can pay for talent if we decide to pay peanuts across the board. This just leads to a downward spiral - who wants to sponsor a sport of amateurs? RL's only long term hope is income growth. 'Local' challenges at Bradford worry me far less than the overall lack of inspiration from the RFL as to how the game's income is going to grow - primarily, how are we going to attract sponsors and media? The answer BTW... no need to thank me - not my idea ... is to concentrate marketing around the players, the rivalries and other stories. Banging on incessantly about what a great set of rules we have is totally pointless.

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:20 am  

RLBandit wrote:

how are we going to attract sponsors

Well, the RFL are putting that gear in reverse by offering sponsorship for cack all. I've not even seen a SL Stobart truck yet.

If the game is to expand (you do that by enticing investors) then racking up massive debts isn't the way to go. You want to go down the Gordon Brown/Greece route? Why would any investor touch a Northern sport that's massively in debt and which has no popularity whatsoever outside the M62?

Now, show that all clubs can make a decent profit and you'll have investors willing to take the game to other areas of the country.

Yes, it's all very fanciful and we all know that every sporting club in the world runs at a loss, blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately in the UK, the game of Rugby League is stuck along the M62 corridor with a spattering of interest in the South of France. It will NEVER EVER be anything different no matter how many dreams this may shatter. Get used to it and try and improve the game we do have left in this region of the country.

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:33 pm  

littlerich wrote:

Well, the RFL are putting that gear in reverse by offering sponsorship for cack all. I've not even seen a SL Stobart truck yet.

If the game is to expand (you do that by enticing investors) then racking up massive debts isn't the way to go. You want to go down the Gordon Brown/Greece route? Why would any investor touch a Northern sport that's massively in debt and which has no popularity whatsoever outside the M62?

Now, show that all clubs can make a decent profit and you'll have investors willing to take the game to other areas of the country.

Yes, it's all very fanciful and we all know that every sporting club in the world runs at a loss, blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately in the UK, the game of Rugby League is stuck along the M62 corridor with a spattering of interest in the South of France. It will NEVER EVER be anything different no matter how many dreams this may shatter. Get used to it and try and improve the game we do have left in this region of the country.

No, don't want to rack up massive debts...BUT...profit equals income less expenditure, and, as with the 'austerity' debate, its not at all obvious that cutting costs doesn't have an even bigger impact on income. ( e.g. if we lose star players )

FWIW, those clowns who think RL would be better off without Sam Tomkins, etc. are first class idiots, or else hate the game. Hate him, fine, hate him as much as you like, just like people hated Beckham, Rooney, and all those others than put bums on seats and sponsors on shirts. But to say we don't need the likes of Tomkins is the ultimate in defeatism by people who really would rather see us an amateur feeder sport for Union.

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:00 pm  

I'm sure they'll be fine now they appear to be a charity, as shown by Kearneys choice of charity to donate his £100 to tonight. Forget the starving African kids or steve Prescott, donate it to my club, wages wont pay themselves you know!

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:02 pm  

Dudley wrote:

I'm sure they'll be fine now they appear to be a charity, as shown by Kearneys choice of charity to donate his £100 to tonight. Forget the starving African kids or steve Prescott, donate it to my club, wages wont pay themselves you know!

You're joking right

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:26 pm  

Bradford are a joke. Why are they just sitting back and expecting everyone else in RL to sort out the huge debts when THEY'VE run their club so poorly they've ended up in this mess?

If they go to the wall who really cares except their fans? No one. Bradford will quickly be forgotton and it will soon be business as usual for the other clubs and their supporters.

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:56 pm  

littlerich wrote:

....in the UK, the game of Rugby League is stuck along the M62 corridor with a spattering of interest in the South of France. It will NEVER EVER be anything different no matter how many dreams this may shatter. ......

Never has a truer statement been made on here.

Re: are the bulls back with the begging bowl??? : Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:18 am  

Mr Dog wrote:

Never has a truer statement been made on here.