Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:54 pm  

vastman wrote:

Oh come on with all due respect that is rubbish.

Those players you mention come from an era when Bradford were splashing cash they did not have. All those players would have found there way in the game through another Academy. I know Trinity were desperate to sign Bateman as a youth so he wasn’t short of offer.

With all due respect we’ve not been able to splash the cash for years and yet despite us being out of the picture you lot have produced a whole zero more England players than us.

Despite the fact we’ve been on our booty for years in the championship and even league one we’ve continued to produce players that have made up the bulk of our squad whilst losing loads to super league. The likes of James Bentley, Jake Trueman, Ethan Ryan, Roman Milnes, Oliver Wilson, all super league players all came through since relegation. Plus the likes of O’Brien and Mellor who came through when we were on our booty and needed to blood players early just to field a team in super league.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:55 pm  

vastman wrote:

They haven’t, Salford opted out a few years ago, it’s not been required for a while but this time it’s been enforced rightly or wrongly.

Leigh have been refused.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:57 pm  

vastman wrote:

So no Tom Johnstone then.

Or Ben Westwood or Danny Brough,

There are a fair few others who started at Wakefield but I just can’t be bothered.

Then of course there is the list of Wakefield based players but that list would just be enormous, Stanley Rangers alone has produced more players than some pro clubs.

Get a grip.

Ben Westwood and Danny Brough? Ha ha ha bang up to date there. Why stop there what about the Fox brothers!

Want anymore straws to grasp at my pompous friend?

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 7:59 pm  

Alan Cargill wrote:

It's also about player development in an educational sense and the impact the academies have on their local community game, if you're taking 50 youngsters out of the community game in the hope 2 of them become Super league players then that is detrimental to the community game. I would imagine those with elite status produce top class education and care to a fewer amount of players who are all fairly decent prospects.

That's a fair post post, I would suggest that the "stat" for youngsters "making it" is far worse than 2 out of every 50 academy lads.

Again not having a go but the as we see with Cas they will turn over what? 30 local prospects a year and if they get a good one like Olly Holmes they will get 10 years and 200 games from him (and still counting)... but Holmes is more of a one in a hundred player.

Just got a flashback or two from my youth....I can recall the "Classy Cas" teams when the majority of players were actually from Cas, and wasn't Featherstone Rovers cup winning side over Hull in 1983 all local lads except Steve Quinn?

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 8:02 pm  

Alan Cargill wrote:

Ah ok, so you're judging academies strength by how many players in the England squad have come through it? that wouldn't be because in your straw clutching world it's the one that helps you win the argument over Hudds and Wakey then? well that stat alone should have got them an elite licence, cos you produced 1 more England squad player than Wakefield and 2 more than huddersfield

I was responding to one comment. I judge academies on their ability to consistently develop players year in year out. Ours still does that despite everything that’s gone on.

Look at how many of our first team players came through our academy. Then consider how many leave every year to go and play in super league.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 8:07 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Possibly a reason behind it.

Maybe the financial assurances from some clubs wasn't there??

I don't know the reasons, but I'm sure we will find out in due course.

It’s not it’s because they didn’t want more than two academies outside super league and they weighted it in favour of London and Newcastle due to their geographical location. That’s despite there being another 2 licences available that they haven’t dishes out.

That’s why I’m bitter. I’m not saying we’re more deserving than anyone else but we do deserve a licence and to miss out on what I feel is a pretty shortsighted thinking to save a few quid.

That’s not to mention the 90 young lads and staff (many of which are enrolled in education courses through this) who’s futures now hang in the balance.

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

I was respond of going to one comment. No I’m not I judge academies on their ability to consistently develop players year in year out. Ours still does that despite everything that’s gone on.

Look at how many of our first team players came through our academy. Then consider how many peace every year to go and play in super league.

You suggested Bradford had better products than Wakefield and Huddersfield, how many of their players, Huddersfield especially are now Super league regulars?
you virtually dismissed the strength of those 2 academies on the basis that they have 1 and 2 academy products in the england squad while conveniently ignoring those regularly playing Super League and indeed in the England Knights squad.
Apart from the 3 you mentioned in the squad and Bent;y O'brien and Mellor i'd suggest that huddersfield and possibly wakefield have produced a better standard of players than Bradford, hence they have a licence and Bradford don't

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 8:10 pm  

vastman wrote:

So no Tom Johnstone then.

Or Ben Westwood or Danny Brough,

There are a fair few others who started at Wakefield but I just can’t be bothered.

Then of course there is the list of Wakefield based players but that list would just be enormous, Stanley Rangers alone has produced more players than some pro clubs.

Get a grip.

I know you guys are having a bit of a ding dong, but Wakefield have of course produced many great players like Fev and Cas and my word in the sixties and early seventies the talent in the "Calder" area was massive........

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 8:12 pm  

Alan Cargill wrote:

You suggested Bradford had better products than Wakefield and Huddersfield, how many of their players, Huddersfield especially are now Super league regulars?
you virtually dismissed the strength of those 2 academies on the basis that they have 1 and 2 academy products in the england squad while conveniently ignoring those regularly playing Super League and indeed in the England Knights squad.
Apart from the 3 you mentioned in the squad and Bent;y O'brien and Mellor i'd suggest that huddersfield and possibly wakefield have produced a better standard of players than Bradford, hence they have a licence and Bradford don't

I thought the pathway was the community game to the senior club. Why the need for academies?

Re: Elite Academies : Fri May 21, 2021 8:15 pm  

Alan Cargill wrote:

You suggested Bradford had better products than Wakefield and Huddersfield, how many of their players, Huddersfield especially are now Super league regulars?
you virtually dismissed the strength of those 2 academies on the basis that they have 1 and 2 academy products in the england squad while conveniently ignoring those regularly playing Super League and indeed in the England Knights squad.
Apart from the 3 you mentioned in the squad and Bent;y O'brien and Mellor i'd suggest that huddersfield and possibly wakefield have produced a better standard of players than Bradford, hence they have a licence and Bradford don't

No I didn’t. I merely pointed out how many players our academy has consistently produced that have competed at the top level.

Also you don’t rate Jake Trueman the super league young player of the year 2018 &2019?

The reason we haven’t got a licence is because they had already decided they didn’t want anymore than 2 of the 12 licences to be given to aides outside of super league. They’ve only given out 10 licences.