: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:29 pm  

bramleyrhino wrote:

Good news for Wakefield.

My only hope (and this isn't a slight at Wakey) is that the place doesn't just become a clone of plenty of other new grounds that are cropping up in all sports, not just RL, although I suspect that it will - cost is the ultimate factor in all of this.

Places like the Halliwell Jones, the JJB, Halton all offer the sort of facilities that we expect but they all look a bit, well, uninspiring. Sports venues as supposed to be places of passion, places of ambition and success. They should have a character.

The aforementioned three just look to me as if they have been designed by an accountant with nothing more than an IKEA catalogue for inspiration. Compare those with the designs at Castleford or Salford (if they ever come off) or the new development at Leicester. You can have a modern, state-of-the-art venue and still have somewhere that looks unique.

To be fair, the 'look' of the build is probably the least important thing, yet the one thing most people tend to judge on.

The most important factor is the facilities, after all, I don't know about you, but I go to watch the rugby not the stadium and it's the fans that give the place it's character, not the architecture.

Back to Wakey, good luck to them, I hope this comes off. If ever a club deserves some good luck it's them.

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:33 pm  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

You sound like a sales rep for some building company.

I will be amazed if any developers have the money to splurge on a risky investment like Wakefield -- especially when Castleford will have a gleaming new stadium so close by.

It will be like pouring scarce money down a rathole, since Wakefield don't have the local paying fan base that a more prosperous community like Warrington has.

i bet your proper upset ......

you can call yourself any name you like , but the old crap just flows from your trap.

Face it love were here to stay , sorry to ruin your year

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:59 pm  

vastman wrote:

Really not working out for you is it you sad little troll. 12,000 is adequate for starters and would actually be adequate for most HULL FC games. All modern stadia can be up sized as and when, and when we need it we will. If we start to regularly draw 10,000 plus gates I'll be more than happy and RL will have another 5 figure club.

Now crawl back under your stone.

You forget that we are on the way up and they are on the way down

[Kosh]

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:09 pm  

It's a decent size for a stadium and should be more than adequate for their immediate needs. It will likely be able to be extended if required in the future as well.

Good news for Wakey, and a welcome poke in the eye for those sad souls who have spent the past few months gloating over the collapse of the last project and predicting their exit from SL as a result.

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:10 pm  

bramleyrhino wrote:

Good news for Wakefield.

My only hope (and this isn't a slight at Wakey) is that the place doesn't just become a clone of plenty of other new grounds that are cropping up in all sports, not just RL, although I suspect that it will - cost is the ultimate factor in all of this.

Places like the Halliwell Jones, the JJB, Halton all offer the sort of facilities that we expect but they all look a bit, well, uninspiring. Sports venues as supposed to be places of passion, places of ambition and success. They should have a character.

The aforementioned three just look to me as if they have been designed by an accountant with nothing more than an IKEA catalogue for inspiration. Compare those with the designs at Castleford or Salford (if they ever come off) or the new development at Leicester. You can have a modern, state-of-the-art venue and still have somewhere that looks unique.

Will This Do?
Dreadnaught Stadium - Wakefield Trinity Wildcats

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:29 pm  

Looks great, I don't know how easy it'll be to push it through in the current economic climate but I'm sure Sir Rodders will sort it out. Wish it was Junction 39 though!

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:35 pm  

BIGAL1 wrote:

You forget that we are on the way up and they are on the way down

That is just temporary on field form. It has nothing to do with the social and economic strength of the club.

The fact of the matter is that Hull FC are a massive rugby league club, with great tradition, with a much more substantial fan base than Wakefield. That is why they were able, in cooperation with the Hull City football club, to have the KC built -- a wonderful purpose built stadium that I enjoy attending as a visiting fan, and that that they can actually fill with people from the city of Hull!

Hull FC also happens to have a great junior set up and the best club website in Super League.

The city and the developers knew that Hull FC could back up its claims. Wakefield just doesn't have the community strike power or national presence that Hull FC has.

Those from Wakefield who want to compare themselves favourably with Hull FC are living in a fantasy world.

But once again, the bottom line is the economic climate. It is hard to see it happening in time for the 2011 franchise decision. With all its other problems, Wakefield could see itself back in the championships, battling it out with Leigh, Halifax, and Whitehaven.

The only realistic solution is to have a Calder United Super League club, with Wakefield, Castleford, and Featherstone in the Championship division functioning as feeder clubs with their own hard core club supporters. Then the money and the fan base will be there for a 15,000 seater Calder stadium! This is not my original idea, I am happy to admit. Sir Maurice Lindsay, one of the most astute judges in the game, proposed this 15 years ago!

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:51 pm  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

That is just temporary on field form. It has nothing to do with the social and economic strength of the club.

The fact of the matter is that Hull FC are a massive rugby league club, with great tradition, with a much more substantial fan base than Wakefield. That is why they were able, in cooperation with the Hull City football club, to have the KC built -- a wonderful purpose built stadium that I enjoy attending as a visiting fan, and that that they can actually fill with people from the city of Hull!

Hull FC also happens to have a great junior set up and the best club website in Super League.

The city and the developers knew that Hull FC could back up its claims. Wakefield just doesn't have the community strike power or national presence that Hull FC has.

Those from Wakefield who want to compare themselves favourably with Hull FC are living in a fantasy world.

You have show there you no nothing.
At the formation of British telecom many years ago every local council bar one, hull sold the rights to telephone exchanges to the newly formed bt. Fast forward to 98/99 and Hull council have Kingston communications valued as part of an audit, they had it on their books at about £50million. They were more than a little surprised when it was valued at £2-3 Billion! so they sold it sharpish and spent massively in hull. This included the KC (Kingston Communications) stadium. They could afford to throw £20 million or so at it, what was it to them at the time? Peanuts. Hull football club and Hull f.c were gifted the stadium without any investment on their behalf.
You got lucky, really really lucky

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:54 pm  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

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: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:01 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

You have show there you no nothing.
At the formation of British telecom many years ago every local council bar one, hull sold the rights to telephone exchanges to the newly formed bt. Fast forward to 98/99 and Hull council have Kingston communications valued as part of an audit, they had it on their books at about £50million. They were more than a little surprised when it was valued at £2-3 Billion! so they sold it sharpish and spent massively in hull. This included the KC (Kingston Communications) stadium. They could afford to throw £20 million or so at it, what was it to them at the time? Peanuts. Hull football club and Hull f.c were gifted the stadium without any investment on their behalf.
You got lucky, really really lucky

I didn't get lucky. I just enjoy visiting the KC stadium after a very long drive, and a lot of time looking for parking.

But Wakey won't have any thing happoen, such as you have described, to back up their grandiose plans.