Re: ELSTONE : Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:06 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

You can't judge Elstone on the headline value of the deal, for all you know SKY were ready to pull the plug.

Not just that though, is it? Hetherington and McManus are desperate to be rid. He can't carry the game in any direction without them. Which begs the question of the point in paying him.

Re: ELSTONE : Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:28 pm  

AUP 3.4 - Public criticism of the moderation process is not permitted.

Re: ELSTONE : Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:55 pm  

But it's ok to spread false news and narratives whilst antaganising other posters.

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:55 am  

Clearwing wrote:

Not just that though, is it? Hetherington and McManus are desperate to be rid. He can't carry the game in any direction without them. Which begs the question of the point in paying him.

Well, Hetherington has no real say, he doesn't't own Leeds (although he likes to pretend he does). Elstome is employed, unless he severely fails or some misconduct occurs he will keep his job. The same people saying he should just get sacked are the same people that moan about the yawnions losing their powers to hold employers to ransom.

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:24 am  

WestEndThinker wrote:

Well, Hetherington has no real say, he doesn't't own Leeds (although he likes to pretend he does). .

You think someone else at Leeds makes that sort of decision?

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:41 am  

ploinerrhino wrote:

The facts are he has contributed nothing worthwhile that i know about and has recieved a substantial wage , no wonder the Everton supporting fan that i converse with and his mates say that he talks a good game but produces very little .

Sure the facts are that he hasn't produced a big TV deal for Superleague.

But the big deal we got last time wasn't produced by Blake Solly either, it was produced by a combination of a potential second bidder and a plan to increase the competetiveness across the clubs with BOTH the battle for the Superleague Crown and the enhanced relegation battle.

Blake Solly set that up and arguably he won more money for that from SKY, but it bombed as crowds went down, and the focus of the game at the top was lost and interest shifted to the relegation battle.

So that left Elstone with the same old same old to sell........... I just don't believe that when selling to organisations like SKY, when you are up against smarter and harder negotiators than any freelance salesman you could ever employ, your going to get a contract worth more than the products value.

I don't even believe they even bothered to listen to him. What could Elstone say? What cards could he play?

We receded back to the whole focus being on an M62 league, and consequently we receded back to the same deals we had before the Solly deal.

Expecting Elstone or anyone else to outwit an organisation like SKY sports just isn't feasible........

For me Elstone isn't there to get a massive TV deal for an average small product, he's probably there to push the agenda of the bigger Superleague bosses....

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:51 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Sure the facts are that he hasn't produced a big TV deal for Superleague.

But the big deal we got last time wasn't produced by Blake Solly either, it was produced by a combination of a potential second bidder and a plan to increase the competetiveness across the clubs with BOTH the battle for the Superleague Crown and the enhanced relegation battle.

Blake Solly set that up and arguably he won more money for that from SKY, but it bombed as crowds went down, and the focus of the game at the top was lost and interest shifted to the relegation battle.

So that left Elstone with the same old same old to sell........... I just don't believe that when selling to organisations like SKY, when you are up against smarter and harder negotiators than any freelance salesman you could ever employ, your going to get a contract worth more than the products value.

I don't even believe they even bothered to listen to him. What could Elstone say? What cards could he play?

We receded back to the whole focus being on an M62 league, and consequently we receded back to the same deals we had before the Solly deal.

Expecting Elstone or anyone else to outwit an organisation like SKY sports just isn't feasible........

For me Elstone isn't there to get a massive TV deal for an average small product, he's probably there to push the agenda of the bigger Superleague bosses....

If all you say is correct , then they may have as well employed me for a 10th of his salary !

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:15 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

Sure the facts are that he hasn't produced a big TV deal for Superleague.

But the big deal we got last time wasn't produced by Blake Solly either, it was produced by a combination of a potential second bidder and a plan to increase the competetiveness across the clubs with BOTH the battle for the Superleague Crown and the enhanced relegation battle.

Blake Solly set that up and arguably he won more money for that from SKY, but it bombed as crowds went down, and the focus of the game at the top was lost and interest shifted to the relegation battle.

So that left Elstone with the same old same old to sell........... I just don't believe that when selling to organisations like SKY, when you are up against smarter and harder negotiators than any freelance salesman you could ever employ, your going to get a contract worth more than the products value.

I don't even believe they even bothered to listen to him. What could Elstone say? What cards could he play?

We receded back to the whole focus being on an M62 league, and consequently we receded back to the same deals we had before the Solly deal.

Expecting Elstone or anyone else to outwit an organisation like SKY sports just isn't feasible........

For me Elstone isn't there to get a massive TV deal for an average small product, he's probably there to push the agenda of the bigger Superleague bosses....

So, the guy charged with securing a "decent" TV deal, has to settle for a massive reduction and you seem ok with that ??

It's part of his job to "big up" the sport.

We have a World Cup coming up on home shores and usually, there would be talk on how this is going to help generate increased support maybe even some new Sky subscribers etc.

If the 3 x 8 system was ever our strongest card, then God help us.
Mind you, whoever persuaded those in charge that it was the new big thing, then perhaps, they should be the one negotiating the TV deal

Presiding over such a big drop in TV revenue hurts the whole sport and NOBODY can be please with that.
The downward spiral continues.

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:47 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, the guy charged with securing a "decent" TV deal, has to settle for a massive reduction and you seem ok with that ??

It's part of his job to "big up" the sport.

We have a World Cup coming up on home shores and usually, there would be talk on how this is going to help generate increased support maybe even some new Sky subscribers etc.

If the 3 x 8 system was ever our strongest card, then God help us.
Mind you, whoever persuaded those in charge that it was the new big thing, then perhaps, they should be the one negotiating the TV deal

Presiding over such a big drop in TV revenue hurts the whole sport and NOBODY can be please with that.
The downward spiral continues.

Give the fella a break.You had an advantage before posting and still can’t find answer.

Re: ELSTONE : Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:54 pm  

atomic wrote:

Give the fella a break.You had an advantage before posting and still can’t find answer.

you may as well give up, waldorf and statdler want to keep the game in the 70's