FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Greatest player of all time?
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner1606No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 01 200321 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Jan 21 00:0012th Jan 21 20:47LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:41 pm  
Wigg'n wrote:
It's not akin to anything you say. BB is a legend of the game and you're an anonymous person posting on the internet. His opinion is worth 1000x more than yours.


Okayyyyy......
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13190No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 05 200718 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Feb 20 09:2114th Oct 19 16:58LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hedon (sometimes), sometimes Premier Inn's
Signature
'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'

Yves Le Prieur, the real inventor of the aqualung

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:48 pm  
Wally Lewis
RankPostsTeam
International Star4940No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 15 201114 years118th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 17:5021st Nov 24 18:37LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:06 pm  
Superted wrote:
Okayyyyy......

So is schoey but people don't take him seriously, even though between his rants he is often right.
RankPostsTeam
International Star87No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 27 201312 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Mar 15 01:119th Mar 15 01:05LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:01 am  
Him wrote:
Again, why would you think that Gregory, in a modern environment and having to deal with modern defences would be so far ahead of the top players currently?

I think it's massively disrespectful and frankly shows a lack of understanding of the modern game to think that way.

As I said, don't confuse better to watch with better standard.



I think you show a massive lack of understanding of life in general and Rugby League in particular. I would say you are 1/100 to have never played at any sort of level..

Please do not confuse having a fat bloke in a mask as your avatar with having any intelligence or worth...self importance is of course excluded...
knockersbumpMKII 
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman
JoinedServiceReputation
23 years340th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Jan 70 00:0020th Jun 22 17:41LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:18 am  
BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Size has also increased in the backs. I remember when Eric Grothe was considered enormous at 14 and a half stone. Meninga terrorised defences on the 82 tour when he was less than 16 stone (he put on a lot of weight later of course).

Its impossible to do anything other than rate players in their own era. Who knows if a 13 stone second row from the 60s could ever have beefed up enough to be 'great' today when a lot is down to childhood nutrition?


Clearly you never watched the game that far back or have much knowledge of that era as you'll find that there were plenty of 15 stone second rowers that were upwardly mobile, in fact one of Hull's all time try scorers was a 2nd row from the 20s who was 15+ stone.
In the 50/60s we had a fair few 17stone props. Yes size has increased in the backs but conversely so has their lack of agility, it's the somewhat 'smaller' backs that can jink their way around.

What you will find with forwards of old is that will put themselves/their bodies about a lot more than their modern counterparts, half the forwards in modern rugby run the ball in like a bunch of half hearted fannies and tackle as if they are made of biscuit. I'd say the top forwards of yesteryear would do just fine and backs like Andy Gregory whom has more heart and grit than any back in the game since he stopped playing would be sensational (sorry for the Stevoism) in SL. Burrow is probably the most comparable in the grit dept of modern backs. Gregs had speed off the mark, was a superb passer, had guile, could kick, was a strong tackler and he was facking hard as nails..I didn't particularly like him as an individual but as a player you cannot fail to see he is one of those stand outs that would make the grade in any era.

You and many before you make the classic mistake of thinking it is all about size.. it isn't. It has never just being about crash bang wallop, it's a thinking man's game and one that needs the mentality to overcome your opposition no matter what they look like size wise or what their reputation. You destroy/attack/dismantle the mind-set or out-think your opposition as much as you out-do them physically, hence why you can have blow outs between what on paper are evenly matched teams. You break the mind/spirit and it matters not how strong/fit you are, great players from any era you choose would succeed in any other era you chose to supplant them in because they have it within them to do so.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman18060No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 27 200223 years325th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Jun 23 20:4411th Jun 23 20:53LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
On the road
Signature
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:39 am  
Him wrote:
Again, why would you think that Gregory, in a modern environment and having to deal with modern defences would be so far ahead of the top players currently?

I think it's massively disrespectful and frankly shows a lack of understanding of the modern game to think that way.

As I said, don't confuse better to watch with better standard.


Because as the saying goes "Class is permanent" - comparing Gregory to Smith is nonsense is like comparing Glen Lazarus to Ian Kirke.
Him 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 19 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Nov 21 22:467th Nov 21 09:30LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Campaigning for a deep attacking line

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:43 am  
Voltaire wrote:
I think you show a massive lack of understanding of life in general and Rugby League in particular. I would say you are 1/100 to have never played at any sort of level..

Please do not confuse having a fat bloke in a mask as your avatar with having any intelligence or worth...self importance is of course excluded...

:lol:
So can you answer the question? Or does you amazing knowledge of rugby league, obviously gained from playing for GB v Australia not allow you to back up your opinions? I think you need to improve your self-awareness, there are plenty of free courses and tests you can take to help you with that. Because someone who apparently understands life in general so well would realise that in life you often have to back up your opinions with either facts or some reasoning. What you then do is present your reasons and people debate them.

However if you choose not to do so then people might just come to the conclusion that you can't actually back it up, especially if you then resort to unnecessary personal abuse just because someone has the nerve to disagree with your unsupported claim. In that situation you run the risk of being described as an arrogant, patronising pillock.
Him 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 19 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Nov 21 22:467th Nov 21 09:30LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Campaigning for a deep attacking line

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:54 am  
Sal Paradise wrote:
Because as the saying goes "Class is permanent" - comparing Gregory to Smith is nonsense is like comparing Glen Lazarus to Ian Kirke.

I haven't compared Smith to Gregory in terms of equating them. Just asking why people think he would be so far ahead, to use their own terms, "in a different Galaxy" & "have skills the current England halves could only dream of".

Considering the game is very very different, especially for a halfback, compared to Gregory's day I'm asking why people think Gregory would necessarily fit in/work in a modern team at halfback and definitely why he would be somehow on a level well beyond the current players.

I'm not saying in the slightest that Gregory or any other top player wouldn't have made it today, but as I said in my reply to Voltaire that he couldn't be arsed to reply to, I think some top players from the past would've made it today and some wouldn't and vice versa for the current top players.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10530
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 08 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Jun 20 19:3514th Jun 20 19:35LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Leeds
Signature
King Monkey wrote:
Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.

At least he'd lose his virginity.

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:46 am  
knockersbumpMKII wrote:
Even Jonathan Edwards is a better all round player than Johns, better kicker, had greater awareness, more speed (off the mark and top end), greater elusiveness, yeah Johns is the superior passer but JD is by far the superior player. Is JD the greatest ever..no but for me his all round talents put him firmly around the top 10 of all time.
deciding whom is the greatest is impossible, some players were unbelievably talented but played in unpopular/unfashionable teams and don't get the recognition. Some are elevated because they were in amazing teams and seemed to have all the time in the world and/or were dominant.

You put your nominated best player in any poor side and if the changes are vastly noticeable then you have a bona-fide nominee..


Can't agree with that. I loved Davies (I asume you don't mean Jonathan Edwards or Shaun Edwards) but Johns had everything a RL half back needs, physically not the quickest but his kicking, vision, and speed of thought were as good as any half I've seen play the game. At his best a privilidge to watch.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator31956
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200123 years72nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 21:3022nd Nov 24 22:47LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Corridor of Uncertainty
Signature
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Moderator

Re: Greatest player of all time? : Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:23 pm  
Andy Gregory is the best British halfback I’ve seen in over 30 years. His ability to control a game with his passing, kicking and running was light years ahead of any other British player I’ve seen since. . It’s no coincidence that some of our best performances at international level came when he was in the team. Wally Lewis rated him as the best English player he ever came up against.

Only Johns and Sterling eclipse him IMO.

I’ve no doubt that if he had access to modern training methods he’s be as dominant now as he was back then.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 178 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to The Virtual Terrace


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Film game
karetaker
5699
4m
How many games will we win
alegend
32
10m
Accounts
Brew
140
53m
Salford
Gaz3376
31
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
185
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40753
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Huddersfield
4035
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63246
Recent
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
64
Recent
Salford placed in special measures
PopTart
99
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Huddersfield
4035
50s
Accounts
Brew
140
54s
How many games will we win
alegend
32
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40753
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leedsbarmyar
2601
1m
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
185
6m
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
6m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
leeds owl
18
6m
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
12m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63246
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
alegend
32
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Gaz3376
31
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
994
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
614
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1346
England's Women Demolish The W..
1174
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1409
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1201
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1455
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1999
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2202
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2450
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2012
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2252
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2723
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2146
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2221
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Film game
karetaker
5699
4m
How many games will we win
alegend
32
10m
Accounts
Brew
140
53m
Salford
Gaz3376
31
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
185
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40753
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Huddersfield
4035
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63246
Recent
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
64
Recent
Salford placed in special measures
PopTart
99
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Huddersfield
4035
50s
Accounts
Brew
140
54s
How many games will we win
alegend
32
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40753
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leedsbarmyar
2601
1m
Pre Season - 2025
HU8HFC
185
6m
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
6m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
leeds owl
18
6m
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
12m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63246
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
alegend
32
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Gaz3376
31
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
994
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
614
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1346
England's Women Demolish The W..
1174
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1409
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1201
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1455
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1999
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2202
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2450
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2012
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2252
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2723
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2146
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2221


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!