: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:38 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

you can say that all you want, it doesnt make it true, you have 10 overseas players in a squad of 25, thats not faith in youth, nor it is it faith in british players,

if you were giving british players a chance you would have 40-50% fewer overseas players

And so would every other team! In an ideal world the Super League would be made up entirely of players from the home nations and France without a single import in site! Thing is, we don't live in an ideal world. We've had to deal with the death of a player, a player being diagnosed with a terrible illness and then the near death of another player, obviously this has left us short in numbers when added to the players out through injury. If JK does not feel any players available in the UK are up to standard at the moment (including the academy products at all clubs) then what option does he have?

Who's to say Winterstein won't add anything to the game? For all anyone on here knows he may be an international in the making, then again, being impartial, he may be a let down. However our let down won't cost us as much as the likes of King has Warrington who was gunna bring the hous down with his move to the UK. For me its a calculated gamble, something Kear has done very well with, with British talent from the lower leagues.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:40 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

if your claiming brough, you cant claim, Griffin, March or Blaymire

Why exactly?

Brough, Blaymire and March all came through the academy system at Wakefield. Griffin fair enough. Although it shows that the club is willing to peruse the amateur scene when looking for recruits as oppose to just taking punts on NRL fringe players.

I do find it interesting how an apparently innocent question has turn into a Trinity bashing thread by Smokey et al.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:45 pm  

Uptoncat wrote:

And so would every other team!

a fair few do!

In an ideal world the Super League would be made up entirely of players from the home nations and France without a single import in site!

no we wouldnt, in an ideal world we would have a smattering of top quality imports in every side, we would have squads with 3 or 4 world class international imports, and squads of 21 british players, Top Class imports are good for the game, players like Winterstein are papering over the cracks of a failling youth policy, if Wakefield cant put their mind to it and bring through a prop better than a 2nd/3rd string NRL player, they dont deserve to be in SL.

how many other clubs have 10 or more overseas players?

Thing is, we don't live in an ideal world. We've had to deal with the death of a player, a player being diagnosed with a terrible illness and then the near death of another player, obviously this has left us short in numbers when added to the players out through injury. If JK does not feel any players available in the UK are up to standard at the moment (including the academy products at all clubs) then what option does he have?

he suffers the consequences of his inability to find and bring through quality young players, whether that means not bringing in another 3rd string NRL player, or losing one of those he has

Who's to say Winterstein won't add anything to the game? For all anyone on here knows he may be an international in the making, then again, being impartial, he may be a let down. However our let down won't cost us as much as the likes of King has Warrington who was gunna bring the hous down with his move to the UK. For me its a calculated gamble, something Kear has done very well with, with British talent from the lower leagues.

thats the point, he will probably come over and do a job, but all that does is paper over the fact Wakefield havent brought through enough talent through their academy or from elsewhere in britain to be sustainable,

until they suffer the consequences of this, they will never give youth development the attention it deserves,

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:46 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Why exactly?

Brough, Blaymire and March all came through the academy system at Wakefield. Griffin fair enough. Although it shows that the club is willing to peruse the amateur scene when looking for recruits as oppose to just taking punts on NRL fringe players.

I do find it interesting how an apparently innocent question has turn into a Trinity bashing thread by Smokey et al.

March started at Cas did he not? and didnt blaymire and brough leave without making an appearance? the same as Griffin did at London?

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:53 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

if your claiming brough, you cant claim, Griffin, March or Blaymire, and that isnt a particularly impressive list is it? for 11 years of Super League rugby?

it is nowhere near as good as Bradfords or Hull FCs, or Cas or Wires track record either

but maybe its better than Salford, Hudds, and Quins, and Hull KR

so at least its better than an expansion club (who at the moment have more players from their academy in their squad than Wakefield, and have more British players in their squad than Wakefield) A club who have been in SL for half as long as wakefield since promotion, one which is in its first year since promotion, and one which is in its third year, wakefield meanwhile have been in SL for 10 years

also all of Quins, Hudds, and Salford have fewer overseas players than Wakefield

Really

So finding a young British player like Griffin and develoing him into a player worthy of the England train on squad does'nt count.

Bringing players through the Academy from their early teens does'nt count.

No neither of the March's started at Cas

Back up that statement and show me the list of players from Bradford, Hull FC, Cas, and Warrington that is significantly better than Wakefields.

10 years in Super League for Wakefield, and as I stated it takes time to develop a SL quality youth system, you don't get one off the shelf at Tesco fella.

Your motives for being in this discusion have become way too transparent with some of these claims.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:58 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

March started at Cas did he not? and didnt blaymire and brough leave without making an appearance? the same as Griffin did at London?

Both March twins are Wakefield products, Brough was ditched due to him trashing a mini bus, nothing to do with talent. Blaymire suffer a bad injury (knee reconstruction) and then went to Australia before coming home before playing for York then to Wakefield two seasons ago.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:01 pm  

The Clan wrote:

10 years in Super League for Wakefield, and as I stated it takes time to develop a SL quality youth system, you don't get one off the shelf at Tesco fella.

How long do you need to develop a quality youth system?

How does bringing in a young reserve grader from the NRL improve your British talent development?

There was a time that relegation avoidance was an excuse for such recruitment. Much less so now.

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:04 pm  

The Clan wrote:

Really

So finding a young British player like Griffin and develoing him into a player worthy of the England train on squad does'nt count.

Bringing players through the Academy from their early teens does'nt count.

No neither of the March's started at Cas

Back up that statement and show me the list of players from Bradford, Hull FC, Cas, and Warrington that is significantly better than Wakefields.

10 years in Super League for Wakefield, and as I stated it takes time to develop a SL quality youth system, you don't get one off the shelf at Tesco fella.

Your motives for being in this discusion have become way too transparent with some of these claims.

No doubt he will be on the internet looking to discredit your post or prove we are miles behind other clubs!!! Not that he has any anti wakey agenda!

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:06 pm  

Marsdengiant wrote:

How long do you need to develop a quality youth system?
How does bringing in a young reserve grader from the NRL improve your British talent development?

There was a time that relegation avoidance was an excuse for such recruitment. Much less so now.

l dont know? Do you?

How does your club stack up over the same time span re youth development???

: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:14 pm  

SimonBarrett wrote:

l dont know? Do you?

How does your club stack up over the same time span re youth development???

I was very pleased that we beat Catalans with only 2 overseas players and I would be very disappointed if after a decade of continuous SL presence the Giants started signing NRL reserve graders. it would be a backward step.