: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:11 pm  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

you did also say: "forget about parking".

your latest post implies that there is sufficient parking, so which is it?

There was sufficient parking, The Dome has been redeveloped since then.

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:37 pm  

The RFL really do think small time. Aus vs NZ at the Stoop? Last time they played in London they got a bigger crowd than the capacity of the Stoop. Donny, Wigan and Hudds? I must have imagined the game at the COM which attracted 39k not so long back, and the fact that they sold out Elland Road before. The RFL are too obsessed with getting a full stadium for internationals. Why not hold the England games against NZ and Aus at Anfield and Elland Road with the final at the COM? If they don't sell out, so what. They will get bigger crowds than the venues they are hosted at now. The France game is never going to get a big crowd up north, for me it has expansion written all over it. Could at played it in Nottingham, Leicester or Birmingham to test the water there. Also think think they should have had the NZ vs Aus game at Craven Cottage. Decent size crowd and will acommidate the crowd quite well.
Plus, I dont get the big deal regarding getting to and parking at Elland Road. The ground is right off the motorway and when I've been there in car I have never had any problem finding on street parking. Plus they have always had buses going to the ground straight from the train station

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:01 pm  

The Key wrote:

The RFL really do think small time. Aus vs NZ at the Stoop? Last time they played in London they got a bigger crowd than the capacity of the Stoop. BLAH BLAH BLAH.......DRIVEL DRIVEL DRIVEL Also think think they should have had the NZ vs Aus game at Craven Cottage. Decent size crowd and will acommidate the crowd quite well.

The stoop, with it's tiny 12,750 capacity is more comfortable and with better bars etc than Craven Cottage (or locust road for that matter) and is seen as central to the expansion of RL
Please don't let your perfectly reasonable observations about increased revenue get in the way of Expansion
The fact is the RFL have thrown their weight behind the quins thing and therefore, regardless of all those millions of upset london barstaff, only 12,750 tickets will be on sale for this game.

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:06 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

The stoop, with it's tiny 12,750 capacity is more comfortable and with better bars etc than Craven Cottage (or locust road for that matter) and is seen as central to the expansion of RL
Please don't let your perfectly reasonable observations about increased revenue get in the way of Expansion
The fact is the RFL have thrown their weight behind the quins thing and therefore, regardless of all those millions of upset london barstaff, only 12,750 tickets will be on sale for this game.

Craven Cottage was just an example. And I didn't say anything about Loftus Road been used again. But the point still stands, that the Stoop is too small based on attendances in London for these types of games in recent years. A good enough stadium holding around 25k (give or take) in London must have been available. I don't think holding it at the Stoop will help Quins, in fact I think restricting the amount of people going to a game in London could do more harm then good

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:25 pm  

The Key wrote:

.... in fact I think restricting the amount of people going to a game in London could do more harm then good

Please expand?
Sweeping statements are just that...sweeping. How is it harmful.....and why do you think this.

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:42 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Please expand?
Sweeping statements are just that...sweeping. How is it harmful.....and why do you think this.

And expand I will do. As you say, The Stoop holds 12,500, which iirc is about 8k less than the game Aus vs NZ got last time they played in the capital (2005?). Say the Stoop sells out, thats already a hell of a lot of fans wanting to taste RL again, not been allowed in.
Secondly, I doubt a sell out at the Stoop will get many more people in who haven't already been to Quins. I would guesstimate that quite a siaeable chunk of the crowd will come from not far away or by RL fans travelling from around London or the area around it.
Now if the game was played at a ground like Craven Cottage (just an example, you can substitue it for another similarl capacity ground) then there is potential to not only get that same crowd again but increase it. Say 20k go to the game. I think that quite a few new fans from around the area would go to the game. If Craven Cottage was used then maybe some of the old RL fans may go again.
The Quins RL marketing team could go to the game and market themselves to 20k fans. It could even be more fans than that to market to.
I'm not knowledgable on the geography of London but if there is an increase in interest in other areas of the capital then it can only help Quins.

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:43 pm  

The Key wrote:

Craven Cottage was just an example. And I didn't say anything about Loftus Road been used again. But the point still stands, that the Stoop is too small based on attendances in London for these types of games in recent years. A good enough stadium holding around 25k (give or take) in London must have been available. I don't think holding it at the Stoop will help Quins, in fact I think restricting the amount of people going to a game in London could do more harm then good

plus it gives the impression of being "small time", rather tahn being a big event that people should want to go to. Play the games at bigger stadia - and try to create a buzz around the game, rather than admitting we cant fill these bigger venues.

How did Quins RU attract 50k for a standard league game in London - they promoted it and built up interest. Probably most of the people who went were not regular union fans before that game, but I suspect many have been back since. Sadly this would be too much like hard work for the RFL.

Granted - this would have been easier had England put in anywhere near half a performance at the World Cup.

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:06 pm  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

plus it gives the impression of being "small time", rather tahn being a big event that people should want to go to. Play the games at bigger stadia - and try to create a buzz around the game, rather than admitting we cant fill these bigger venues.

How did Quins RU attract 50k for a standard league game in London - they promoted it and built up interest. Probably most of the people who went were not regular union fans before that game, but I suspect many have been back since. Sadly this would be too much like hard work for the RFL.

Granted - this would have been easier had England put in anywhere near half a performance at the World Cup.

Thats exactly my thoughts. I won't be going to any of the games except maybe the Elland Road game (will have to look at my finances at the time but should be able to go). Since I have been following RL (2002) I have only ever gone to Elland Road and COM to watch international RL outside of Hull as they just don't fill me with excitement as they dont have that big game impact. I wasn't going to go to any of the games last year, I only went to the game in Hull as it was the day before my birthday.

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:08 pm  

The Key wrote:

Thats exactly my thoughts. I won't be going to any of the games except maybe the Elland Road game (will have to look at my finances at the time but should be able to go). Since I have been following RL (2002) I have only ever gone to Elland Road and COM to watch international RL outside of Hull as they just don't fill me with excitement as they dont have that big game impact. I wasn't going to go to any of the games last year, I only went to the game in Hull as it was the day before my birthday.

I'd have thought any excuse to get out of Hull for a few hours would've been seized upon?

: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:55 pm  

The Key wrote:

And expand I will do. As you say, The Stoop holds 12,500, which iirc is about 8k less than the game Aus vs NZ got last time they played in the capital (2005?). Say the Stoop sells out, thats already a hell of a lot of fans wanting to taste RL again, not been allowed in.
Secondly, I doubt a sell out at the Stoop will get many more people in who haven't already been to Quins. I would guesstimate that quite a siaeable chunk of the crowd will come from not far away or by RL fans travelling from around London or the area around it.
Now if the game was played at a ground like Craven Cottage (just an example, you can substitue it for another similarl capacity ground) then there is potential to not only get that same crowd again but increase it. Say 20k go to the game. I think that quite a few new fans from around the area would go to the game. If Craven Cottage was used then maybe some of the old RL fans may go again.
The Quins RL marketing team could go to the game and market themselves to 20k fans. It could even be more fans than that to market to.
I'm not knowledgable on the geography of London but if there is an increase in interest in other areas of the capital then it can only help Quins.

Thank You...
Alas, of the 12,750 who attend this game, not many will return, as the apathetic nature of the antipodean requires a ground close to shepherds bush to have any chance of turning out on a regular basis. I see your point, in that, there would be an opportunity to get them interested in the stoop for future games, but when your average ozzy looks for twickenham and sees it's not on a tube map....well, let's say he aint going to have it!
So, we have the game at the Stoop and 2 things happen.
1. The BBC ITV and any other station will refer to the game being played at the HOME OF HARLEQUINS RUGBY LEAGUE.....therefore raising our profile and secondly, WE GET TO KEEP THE BAR MONEY!
Oh...thirdly and as happened this weekend. Whilst we had the occassional bitch about how far away TW2 was from town, we did give the majority the chance to find out for themselves. It is a 11 minute journey from Clapham and a 6 minute walk Lazy ANZAC b'strds 8)