Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:54 am  

M@islebugs wrote:

Wren you finished bottom with 6 points and weren't relegated. This high minded indignation is a touch misplaced.

Well Wakey played the system, so it was right to scrub the so called "Super 8's" as the system was badly flawed

It's a nonsense not to choose a team based on whether they have the set up and finances to compete. Imagine after this TWP collapse early in the season if Featherstone did the same. It's OK Wrenners trying to be "fair" but this is an important decision being made for the best interests of Superleague and the game.

Even if we did go for "fair" it's impossible to choose anyway between London and Fev.

Another irony is how so many people seems to totally discount Newcastle yet they may see themselves as "expansionists"

They slavered over Toronto Wolfpack and their phoney team, whilst when it comes to expanding properly to the North East, that's totally dismissed with no proper reasons given.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:57 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Well Wakey played the system, so it was right to scrub the so called "Super 8's" as the system was badly flawed

It's a nonsense not to choose a team based on whether they have the set up and finances to compete. Imagine after this TWP collapse early in the season if Featherstone did the same. It's OK Wrenners trying to be "fair" but this is an important decision being made for the best interests of Superleague and the game.

Even if we did go for "fair" it's impossible to choose anyway between London and Fev.

Another irony is how so many people seems to totally discount Newcastle yet they may see themselves as "expansionists"

They slavered over Toronto Wolfpack and their phoney team, whilst when it comes to expanding properly to the North East, that's totally dismissed with no proper reasons given.

Gateshead...

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:04 am  

IR80 wrote:

You really are a prize one.

What is upsetting you, the tag he has labelled your mate with, or the fact he is right and you cannot provide a reasoned response to his post.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:26 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Well Wakey played the system, so it was right to scrub the so called "Super 8's" as the system was badly flawed

It's a nonsense not to choose a team based on whether they have the set up and finances to compete. Imagine after this TWP collapse early in the season if Featherstone did the same. It's OK Wrenners trying to be "fair" but this is an important decision being made for the best interests of Superleague and the game.

Even if we did go for "fair" it's impossible to choose anyway between London and Fev.

Another irony is how so many people seems to totally discount Newcastle yet they may see themselves as "expansionists"

They slavered over Toronto Wolfpack and their phoney team, whilst when it comes to expanding properly to the North East, that's totally dismissed with no proper reasons given.

The super 8s was flawed from the beginning playing each other only once gave some home advantage but it did prove to have an exciting end, having finished at the bottom only gave us time to prepare for the coming 8s where sides in the championship was still battling to get in the top 4, when it came to final game it put us who was last with the second best team in the championship due to the rules,
the difference is massive teams coming up should be given a years grace to get up to speed if that meant the second from bottom going down then so be it, they did it with catalan, the only flaw is the team going down ends up having to rebuild again.

I was all for promotion and relegation but the way things are going is proving to me a closed league is better way to go

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:34 am  

little wayne69 wrote:

What is upsetting you, the tag he has labelled your mate with, or the fact he is right and you cannot provide a reasoned response to his post.

which 'mate'...

there is no point in relying to Donnyman with anything meaningful, you can see crom the myriad of threads he starts about the same thing that he has a closed mind.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:38 am  

snowie wrote:

I was all for promotion and relegation but the way things are going is proving to me a closed league is better way to go

Thank you for your reply.

I'm sure you didn't mean "closed league" probably "Controlled league" would be a better phrase? The selection of a twelfth club by "criteria" may well repeat in a years time when all 10 or 12 clubs are "selected" for the new SKY deal. It will be fascinating...

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:40 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Well Wakey played the system, so it was right to scrub the so called "Super 8's" as the system was badly flawed

It's a nonsense not to choose a team based on whether they have the set up and finances to compete. Imagine after this TWP collapse early in the season if Featherstone did the same. It's OK Wrenners trying to be "fair" but this is an important decision being made for the best interests of Superleague and the game.

Even if we did go for "fair" it's impossible to choose anyway between London and Fev.

Another irony is how so many people seems to totally discount Newcastle yet they may see themselves as "expansionists"

They slavered over Toronto Wolfpack and their phoney team, whilst when it comes to expanding properly to the North East, that's totally dismissed with no proper reasons given.

I dont discount Newcastle at all but, they are nowhere near ready for SL.
What is their highest league placing so far ?

It's quite possible that their time will come, just as (hopefully) York will progress in their new stadium.

As for the facilities / financial stability criteria, haven't Toronto just blown a huge hole in this type of assessment.
As I mentioned in a previous post, once you take away on field success, setting criteria generally becomes a little bit grubby and the criteria for advancement is usually set, based on any favoured club(s) attributes.
Promotion and relegation and set minimum criteria if neccessary is the right way to move forward.

Also, if we return to franchising/ licensing, how do you allow new clubs in or, are we pulling up the drawbridge (again).

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:13 am  

Donnyman wrote:

I'm sure you didn't mean "closed league" probably "Controlled league" would be a better phrase? The selection of a twelfth club by "criteria" may well repeat in a years time when all 10 or 12 clubs are "selected" for the new SKY deal. It will be fascinating...

The 'controlled league' worked well the last time.Permitted clubs into it who went into financial difficulties,ie,Bradford,shortly after handing Whitehead a 5 yrs contract - not even Toronto have matched that.Clubs with poor quality stadia AND low attendances.

Wigan may not have a stadium in a matter of weeks.

Clubs dependent on monies from the broadcast deal...and a failure to improve the standards of the national side.

Super League really is Super.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:56 am  

Ornery Optimist wrote: The 'controlled league' worked well the last time.Permitted clubs into it who went into financial difficulties,ie,Bradford,shortly after handing Whitehead a 5 yrs contract - not even Toronto have matched that.Clubs with poor quality stadia AND low attendances. Wigan may not have a stadium in a matter of weeks. Clubs dependent on monies from the broadcast deal...and a failure to improve the standards of the national side. Super League really is Super. Think you find Toronto was going about signing players while they was going bust https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/to ... m-watkins/ Anyway what's this about Wigan and not having a stadium within weeks

Ornery Optimist wrote: The 'controlled league' worked well the last time.Permitted clubs into it who went into financial difficulties,ie,Bradford,shortly after handing Whitehead a 5 yrs contract - not even Toronto have matched that.Clubs with poor quality stadia AND low attendances. Wigan may not have a stadium in a matter of weeks. Clubs dependent on monies from the broadcast deal...and a failure to improve the standards of the national side. Super League really is Super. Think you find Toronto was going about signing players while they was going bust https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/to ... m-watkins/ Anyway what's this about Wigan and not having a stadium within weeks

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:13 am  

snowie wrote:

Anyway what's this about Wigan and not having a stadium within weeks

Absolute worst case scenario of new owners for the stadium wanting to increase rent & kicking the team out, similar to Coventry City at the Ricoh.