Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:41 pm  

Yet another thread gets de-railed HKR style.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:41 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Same could be said of certain HKA fans regarding attendane figures at Quins games....together with their unproven assumptions of back handed payments by the RFL, Unproven assumptions I'll add together with preferential treatment over the years...again, unproven.
What is a fact is that you will have 10 overseas players in your squad next year and your stadium is still only just better than Hell View and not as good as the Jungle......with your chairman doing the same as Quins by proppping you up financially.......none of which is on the RFL 's wish list.....

....no issue with the young lad from St Helens, although the idea is to develop your own. Scott Murrell is a good example of a player who got a second chance at HKA and took it. He was never going to make it at Leeds but has done a job for you guys (as he did on loan in London a few years back).......but it still beggars the question that if Spaven was good enough in 2010....what's happened for him to be deemed not good enough a few months later?

Clearly, playing only 2 games suggests he erm...wasn't.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:42 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Yet another thread gets de-railed HKR style.

Actually, I think you will find, It's HKA

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:43 pm  

Bobbin' Along wrote:

Presumably we won't be given any credit for his development.

Of course you will....and well done now for seeing the potential as well
Now...about those 10 overseas players
Roversmad......he was in your academy side and stepped up when needed......he had potential, otherwise someone else would have been asked to step up....HTH ...as opposed to HKA

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:53 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Of course you will....and well done now for seeing the potential as well
Now...about those 10 overseas players
Roversmad......he was in your academy side and stepped up when needed......he had potential, otherwise someone else would have been asked to step up....HTH ...as opposed to HKA

The same could be said about Sam Tomkins, the difference being he proved good enough and is now an international, whereas Spaven is now at Donny.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:33 pm  

roversmad wrote:

The same could be said about Sam Tomkins, the difference being he proved good enough and is now an international, whereas Spaven is now at Donny.

Nope......totally different.

Sam Tomkins was picked to play as a squad member in 2009.....he got a chance to play through injuries...and made an impact over about 10 or 11 games. He was also mentioned in reports prior to 2009 with regard to him being one to watch.
The major difference though is that a player, who your coach felt could do a job when asked to.......ie, when you needed cover, was good enough for SL on July 24th.....but only good enough for CH1 bottom dwellers 3 months later. If you had more faith in these kids instead of paying average overseas players in your pursuit of your better run and more recently successful neighbours, HKR could once again be a force to be reckoned with......as it is, you will suddenly HAVE TO prune your squad over the next 3 years and will have nobody coming through to replace them....cue more aplications for dispensations.
Year 5 of SL for HKR.....you are a team full of imports that have achieved very little.
Year 5 of London in SL and there was a 2nd place finish...and a CC final.....neither winning anything, but closer than you've managed and we only had 9 overseas players in year 5

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:19 am  

It's great that you've set us such a standard to aspire to. I'm sure that was the motivation for the class of 06.
"Let's get in SL lads and one day, who knows, we could be the next 'quins" (just have to shed a few fans first).

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:25 am  

Bobbin' Along wrote:

It's great that you've set us such a standard to aspire to.

Good isn't it. The most English SL team in the comp....it took 15 years, but not bad for an area with little or no history of the game.......Now, East Hull on the other hand...it's a real hot-bed of...er....dare I say talent? Surprised you haven't got 3 teams in SL what with the thousands of kids being churned out by your academy

Bobbin' Along wrote:

I'm sure that was the motivation for the class of 06.

...I think you'll find that was money....same thing that motivates your club now....thus the over reliance on overseas players in the pursuit of your bigger and better run neighbours

Bobbin' Along wrote:

"Let's get in SL lads and one day, who knows, we could be the next 'quins" (just have to shed a few fans first).

...hey...a Quins Fans joke.....the good old standard comeback from a poster who knowd they have nothing else to say....

[Frosties.]

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:33 am  

Saints out: Andrew yates to hunslet

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:05 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Nope......totally different.

Sam Tomkins was picked to play as a squad member in 2009.....he got a chance to play through injuries...and made an impact over about 10 or 11 games. He was also mentioned in reports prior to 2009 with regard to him being one to watch.
The major difference though is that a player, who your coach felt could do a job when asked to.......ie, when you needed cover, was good enough for SL on July 24th.....but only good enough for CH1 bottom dwellers 3 months later. If you had more faith in these kids instead of paying average overseas players in your pursuit of your better run and more recently successful neighbours, HKR could once again be a force to be reckoned with......as it is, you will suddenly HAVE TO prune your squad over the next 3 years and will have nobody coming through to replace them....cue more aplications for dispensations.
Year 5 of SL for HKR.....you are a team full of imports that have achieved very little.
Year 5 of London in SL and there was a 2nd place finish...and a CC final.....neither winning anything, but closer than you've managed and we only had 9 overseas players in year 5

The plans are place to replace the aussies/older players, for exmaple Taylor and Cox are expected to kick on and become regular 2nd rowers replacing Newton and Galea, the fact we had a top phase 18's shows we are going in the right direction. If you asked anyone who had seen Spaven over the last 3 years they would probably tell you he was never going to be a 'super league standard' player hence why no other club has gone in for him from super league. We have faith in the youngsters, Welham, Fox, Lovegrove, Watts are all players signed at a fairly young age and have developed and improved.

Your right regarding Quins developing there own players which is a credit to them, however it has taken what 15 years of super league standard to do it. What some fail to appreciate is when your in National League you can't/don't attract the top youth players especially when you have the likes of Hull FC, Leeds and Bradford in the division above and as a result we end up with trying to develop players such as Spaven or giving chance to the 'cast off' from other clubs such as i'Anson and to some extent Fox. Quins had the security of being safe in the division and that was for the good of the game to help it attempt to gain natonal publicity which I will add I support the idea with Quins.

Just because a player didn't sign for you does not mean you have not helped develop him once he's at your club, I seem to remember the London club sending a lot of youngster to FC to help with there devlopment as you couldn't develop them as a club and they could as they had the best youth setup in super league over that time. The aim for Morgan, set out by the chairman is to bring through our own players and hopefully by the end of say 2011 likes of Galea will be out of contract and likely to go back we will have a youngster who will step up and replace him.