Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:23 am  

Cronus wrote:

The SC is all about a level playing field after all, is it not?

No, its not, sadly.

If you have a wealthy owner, there are plenty of ways that you can drive a coach and horses through the salary cap. Plenty. I bloody well could. Some of them are even legal and within the rules - image rights paid by an "unconnected" third party, or the guy's spouse/partner being employed by a mate of the owner, to name but two.

Not a pop at Wigan btw - not at all. Never had any problems at all with Wigan fans (bar the odd latecomer glory supporter, like we've all had)) - they were always fine and totally reasonable even in that period when Wigan were pants by their own standards. And hell, I even used to be a mod on a Wigan unofficial forum once, and it was as sensible RL discussion as you could find on the whole internet. Its a pop at the system. Look at the squads; look at where the money is; and go figure?

And yes, this IS sour grapes by a fan of a club that does not have a wealthy owner and whose club is therefore permanently handicapped relative to those clubs that do. The very sourest. Excruciatingly sour. And if the fans of clubs like Cas and Wakey say tough tìttie, welcome to the real world, their argument is totally irrefutable, because they are right.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:22 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I raised that point a few pages back and none of the Wigan fans could offer an explanation. It's very strange. You see current NRL players turned down because they've not played enough games, yet this is a player who hasn't played any that I know of.

It will be interesting to hear why, potentially something to do with his age or nationality? I think he's from the Cook Islands.

Because weve got the RFL and the UK border agency in our back pocket. Did you not know?

Your now also saying this player hasnt played any NRL games that you know of yet earlier in the thread you quite clearly labelled him as an NRL centre? Make your mind up Or did you just call him an NRL centre to strengthen your earlier argument?

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:24 am  

Wandering Warrior wrote:

Because weve got the RFL and the UK border agency in our back pocket. Did you not know?

Your now also saying this player hasnt played any NRL games that you know of yet earlier in the thread you quite clearly labelled him as an NRL centre? Make your mind up Or did you just call him an NRL centre to strengthen your earlier argument?

He has been in the system of two NRL clubs. Therefore I called him an NRL centre. It's not rocket science.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:31 am  

Saddened does make a valid point though.... which seems to be being ignored.

How does he qualify for a work permit?

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:44 am  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

Saddened does make a valid point though.... which seems to be being ignored.

How does he qualify for a work permit?

And you and Saddened are both missing a valid point, he hasn't signed yet. He might not get a work permit.

On another note though, he's from the Cook Islands, doesn't that make Visa's easier?

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:58 am  

inside_man wrote:

And you and Saddened are both missing a valid point, he hasn't signed yet. He might not get a work permit.

On another note though, he's from the Cook Islands, doesn't that make Visa's easier?

oh fair enough....I thought he had signed.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:11 am  

Saddened! wrote:

He has been in the system of two NRL clubs. Therefore I called him an NRL centre. It's not rocket science.

So anybody who has been in Wigans system at a level below the first team playing centre is a super league centre?

Dont be such a fool and stop making up crap to support your arguments.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:37 pm  

I think the point being made is; Why did Wigan have to go the RFL for a special dispensation to increase the SC to keep a player, when, by signing more players (and being in discussion with at least one other) AFTER that dispensation was granted, this proves they clearly already had cap space left so therefore did not actually need the dispensation in the first place?

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:41 pm  

Badwanger wrote:

I think the point being made is; Why did Wigan have to go the RFL for a special dispensation to increase the SC to keep a player

Probably because they'd just lost a player to Union, it was an issue that needed dealing with anyway, and it's not special dispensation at all, it's applied to all clubs who have players that represent England at international level.

Re: Wigan abuse new cap rules already? : Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:54 pm  

inside_man wrote:

Probably because they'd just lost a player to Union, it was an issue that needed dealing with anyway, and it's not special dispensation at all, it's applied to all clubs who have players that represent England at international level.

I agree that Tomkins needed to kept in the sport but, Wigan's recruitment post this special dispensation suggests they didn't need it anyway.