Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:00 pm  

Barnacle Bill wrote:

But as usual, most of what you've written is just bizarre...

If a coach wants to select an experienced player he selects him because he's experienced, not because he's an experienced Aussie, simply because he's experienced.

Given the remit of a SL coach which I think we can all agree on being to win games and considering the physical demands on players of a long tough SL season, if this hypothetical coach does not carefully introduce young players to gain experience, when they are required they are likely to be found lacking and consequently the team may well lose. Losing games not being in the remit of an SL coach that coach's policy re young players will come under scrutiny.

It is therefore apparent that a good coach will prepare players as well as possible for the eventuality that they are called upon to perform at SL standard, if he does not then the losers will be the club which ill prepares young players. It then becomes the responsibilty of the player to perform to a standard that the coach selects him because he's proven himself to be the best player in his position (a bit like Kris Welham did).

So why would a coach not want to prepare young players for first team SL rugby?

Bill why do you bother?
Dont you realise that if you starve him of the oxygen of a fight he will stop?

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:16 pm  

Barnacle Bill wrote:

All of which is addressed by the RFL introducing an increasing requirement for home grown players in each clubs SL squad, which over time, along with the gradual decrease in quota players and natural wastage of players exempt on grounds of length of service will result in more English players playing regularly in SL games, so what exactly is your beef?

Maybe his beef is that all SL CEOs met in Perpignan in 2007 to agree the changes and specifically to agree to close the loopholes that allowed exemptions/dispensations etc. Hull KR were one of the clubs at that meeting which agreed the principle unanimously. 3 and a half years later, some clubs are still scrabbling around to open loopholes and actively lobby for new exemptions to achieve quite the opposite of this agreed principle. I applaud your optimism that at some point the agreed quotas will be met, but I don't see clubs enacting the principle, do you? As long as clubs are actively avoiding delivering what they signed up to, and in some cases actually going in the opposite direction, we'll continue having this "discussion".

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:38 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Maybe his beef is that all SL CEOs met in Perpignan in 2007 to agree the changes and specifically to agree to close the loopholes that allowed exemptions/dispensations etc. Hull KR were one of the clubs at that meeting which agreed the principle unanimously. 3 and a half years later, some clubs are still scrabbling around to open loopholes and actively lobby for new exemptions to achieve quite the opposite of this agreed principle. I applaud your optimism that at some point the agreed quotas will be met, but I don't see clubs enacting the principle, do you? As long as clubs are actively avoiding delivering what they signed up to, and in some cases actually going in the opposite direction, we'll continue having this "discussion".

I don't see many ways around it though, the problem at the minute is the exemptions for players who were already under contract.

If a player hasn't trained in the federation for 3 years under the age of 21, he counts on the quota. Nothing to do with nationality, no-ones grandparents are involved, just where they trained.

It'll just take a couple of years for players to retire for things to be the way they are supposed to be.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:58 pm  

inside_man wrote:

I don't see many ways around it though, the problem at the minute is the exemptions for players who were already under contract.

If a player hasn't trained in the federation for 3 years under the age of 21, he counts on the quota. Nothing to do with nationality, no-ones grandparents are involved, just where they trained.

It'll just take a couple of years for players to retire for things to be the way they are supposed to be.

Hallelujah

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:15 pm  

Barnacle Bill wrote:

If a coach wants to select an experienced player he selects him because he's experienced, not because he's an experienced Aussie, simply because he's experienced.

Have i said anything different? There is however a limit to the amount of 'experienced' players this country produces because we are so averse to giving our young players experience. Which means that to rely on 'experienced' players means to rely largely on overseas 'experienced' players.

Given the remit of a SL coach which I think we can all agree on being to win games and considering the physical demands on players of a long tough SL season, if this hypothetical coach does not carefully introduce young players to gain experience, when they are required they are likely to be found lacking and consequently the team may well lose. Losing games not being in the remit of an SL coach that coach's policy re young players will come under scrutiny.

Or they arent introduced and clubs rely on overseas players.

It is therefore apparent that a good coach will prepare players as well as possible for the eventuality that they are called upon to perform at SL standard, if he does not then the losers will be the club which ill prepares young players. It then becomes the responsibilty of the player to perform to a standard that the coach selects him because he's proven himself to be the best player in his position (a bit like Kris Welham did).

it is very rare that a player with 0 experience proves themselves the better than a player with lots of experience. Why do young players, not at 17/18 but at 19/20/21 need to wait for injuries before getting an opportunity to learn and get the experience they need to improve to be better than a 24+ year old overseas player.

So why would a coach not want to prepare young players for first team SL rugby?

because it has become secondary. Where a coach is praised for spotting 'talent' at 22/23/24 from the nrl or lower leagues in Aus, rather than criticised for not being able to prepare any british player

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:12 am  

Luke Ambler confirmed on one year loan to Quins RL from Leeds. BTW, madtigerman. you've got Hardaker listed both as an In and an Out for Leeds.

Luke Ambler confirmed on one year loan to Quins RL from Leeds. BTW, madtigerman. you've got Hardaker listed both as an In and an Out for Leeds.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:22 pm  

Maybe he's done that with Hardaker as he's signed full time but is being shipped out straight back to Fev on loan??

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:36 pm  

An out for Cas with the retirement today of Jimmy Evans.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:54 pm  

StuMain wrote: An out for Cas with the retirement today of Jimmy Evans. http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... eford.html

StuMain wrote: An out for Cas with the retirement today of Jimmy Evans. http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... eford.html

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:57 pm  

BroncOnIon wrote: Luke Ambler confirmed on one year loan to Quins RL from Leeds. BTW, madtigerman. you've got Hardaker listed both as an In and an Out for Leeds. becuase Zak Hardaker was signed my leeds and went back out on loan to featherstone rovers.

BroncOnIon wrote: Luke Ambler confirmed on one year loan to Quins RL from Leeds. BTW, madtigerman. you've got Hardaker listed both as an In and an Out for Leeds. becuase Zak Hardaker was signed my leeds and went back out on loan to featherstone rovers.