When is a forward pass a knock on? : Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:18 pm  

NO talk of any recent games intended, but can someone simply explain when a forward pass is a knock on?

Is it simply down to whether the officials believe the player intended to pass or not?

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:28 pm  

they are 2 completely different things, how can they be confused?

a forward pass doesnt have to involve the attacking team touching the ball again after its thrown.

its simple, if the ball travels in a forward direction after its passed. (exception is it can float forward if the ball was passed backward)

a knock on is more the ball comes loose in a forward direction, hits the ground and then is regathered.

both result in a loss of possession but they are compeltely different

if the ball is knocked backwards and regathered its obviously just play on

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:31 pm  

dally messenger wrote:

they are 2 completely different things, how can they be confused?

a forward pass doesnt have to involve the attacking team touching the ball again after its thrown.

its simple, if the ball travels in a forward direction after its passed. (exception is it can float forward if the ball was passed backward)

a knock on is more the ball comes loose in a forward direction, hits the ground and then is regathered.

both result in a loss of possession but they are compeltely different

if the ball is knocked backwards and regathered its obviously just play on

Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:32 pm  

declaration wrote:

Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.

sorry, my mistake, i thought it was a serious thing as opposed to a dig at a decision in a game.

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:33 pm  

dally messenger wrote:

sorry, my mistake, i thought it was a serious thing as opposed to a dig at a decision in a game.

It's not a dig. People seem to be saying it was the right decision and I can believe they are right.

Would just like to understand the rules a bit better is all.

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:33 pm  

declaration wrote:

Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.

You are right, it does not!!!

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:36 pm  

declaration wrote:

Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.

There's no "apparently" about it you muppet, nor is a forward pass ever a knock-on, it's either one thing or the other.

Why don't you just read the rules first, and then if you still have any sensible questions, ask them?

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:40 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

There's no "apparently" about it you muppet, nor is a forward pass ever a knock-on, it's either one thing or the other.

Why don't you just read the rules first, and then if you still have any sensible questions, ask them?

Instead of two sentences of abuse, why not just explain the difference then?

If the ball goes straight from one player to a team mate in front, when is it a knock on and when is it a forward pass?

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:42 pm  

declaration wrote:

Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.

if the player who loses control of the ball, its not a knock on if he regathers it before it hits the ground or it touches either one of his team mates or the opposition.
Thats why when JJB "knocked the ball forward" the it was a knock on even though it didnt touch the ground as it touched another player (the one who actually caught it) Had it not touched the other player then it would have hit the ground.

simpelz

: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:49 pm  

griffax wrote:

if the player who loses control of the ball, its not a knock on if he regathers it before it hits the ground or it touches either one of his team mates or the opposition.
Thats why when JJB "knocked the ball forward" the it was a knock on even though it didnt touch the ground as it touched another player (the one who actually caught it) Had it not touched the other player then it would have hit the ground.

simpelz

I guess it involves a degree of subjectivity then. Surely it is arguable that JJB intended to slap the ball to a team mate, and was therefore in control of the ball?