Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:57 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

The money has gone straight into players pockets, none of it has gone to the game. They promised to put more money into the game by getting an NATV deal but they have no chance of that.

Huge Market for fans? How does that give us a penny here?

NA sponsors won't pay clubs here to advertise anything??

There are no pro NA players and no system for developing them

What's needed to get you to understand the reality of the situation is for Wakefield to get relegated whilst TWP stay up........

Uncle Eric perez told us what TWP would bring to the game here anyway - New players and new TV money.

And they didn't bring either so your completely wrong.....

I see the queue to reply to my post is almost as long as the queue for Toronto game tickets that aren't free.........

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:28 pm  

“ What's needed to get you to understand the reality of the situation is for Wakefield to get relegated whilst TWP stay up........ ”

Part of the problem with this debate is that all the perceived negatives of TW seem to boil down to this - that they might succeed at the expense of a “heartlands” club. This is the fault of the system we have for deciding who should be in SL. It’s not the fault of TW.
London were relegated last season because they came bottom of SL. But they were competitive and capable of beating any other team on the day. London staying in SL, with TW coming up, would have expanded the league without watering down the quality. It was stupid to relegate them.
The point I’m making is this - no one knows what TW will bring to the game in 5, 10, 20 years time. They might be a disaster or they might be the best thing that’s ever happened to the game. But, they have to be a positive part of the expansion and development of the game. The P&R system shouldn’t force a situation where a team like TW (which might have folded this time next year) or New York or RSB come in to SL at the expense of a heartlands club that finishes bottom one season but is otherwise perfectly viable and competitive. If we keep doing that the game will contract and eventually cease to exist.
P &R is fine but it needs to be more nuanced. London, I believe, were capable of creating a strong presence in SL - surely we all agree that would be a good thing - but they never got the chance. They’ve been set back years and may never, ever get the chance again. A massive loss for the game.....but not Toronto’s fault.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:11 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

The money has gone straight into players pockets, none of it has gone to the game. They promised to put more money into the game by getting an NATV deal but they have no chance of that.

Huge Market for fans? How does that give us a penny here?

NA sponsors won't pay clubs here to advertise anything??

There are no pro NA players and no system for developing them

What's needed to get you to understand the reality of the situation is for Wakefield to get relegated whilst TWP stay up........

Uncle Eric perez told us what TWP would bring to the game here anyway - New players and new TV money.

And they didn't bring either so your completely wrong.....

How does having access to millions of potential fans give us any money? Plenty of ways - generating enough fans to be able to sell SL rights out there for example.

NA companies and sponsors will pay to advertise via Toronto, if that means they can continue not to take Sky money then we are already over 100k per club more in the game. The world is getting smaller too, and we will probably be looking at NA for trade to replace what we will lose with Brexit.

It will take time to develop NA players, but they have no shortage of athletic young men, familiar with contact sport who are kicking their heels at 21 - 22. How long did it take London to start producing SL players?

The column inches they have generated with SBW alone are worth a fortune. This could be the start of something great. SL needs a shot in the arm and entertaining this and seeing how it goes costs nothing

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:36 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

How does having access to millions of potential fans give us any money? Plenty of ways - generating enough fans to be able to sell SL rights out there for example.

NA companies and sponsors will pay to advertise via Toronto, if that means they can continue not to take Sky money then we are already over 100k per club more in the game. The world is getting smaller too, and we will probably be looking at NA for trade to replace what we will lose with Brexit.

It will take time to develop NA players, but they have no shortage of athletic young men, familiar with contact sport who are kicking their heels at 21 - 22. How long did it take London to start producing SL players?

The column inches they have generated with SBW alone are worth a fortune. This could be the start of something great. SL needs a shot in the arm and entertaining this and seeing how it goes costs nothing

So, NONE, other than the fantasy in your head.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:12 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

How does having access to millions of potential fans give us any money? Plenty of ways - generating enough fans to be able to sell SL rights out there for example.

NA companies and sponsors will pay to advertise via Toronto, if that means they can continue not to take Sky money then we are already over 100k per club more in the game. The world is getting smaller too, and we will probably be looking at NA for trade to replace what we will lose with Brexit.

It will take time to develop NA players, but they have no shortage of athletic young men, familiar with contact sport who are kicking their heels at 21 - 22. How long did it take London to start producing SL players?

The column inches they have generated with SBW alone are worth a fortune. This could be the start of something great. SL needs a shot in the arm and entertaining this and seeing how it goes costs nothing

by the sounds of it the devil has bought your soul, so you'll be happy then for our club to become a feeder to the rich elite in other countries

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:28 pm  

IR80 wrote:

So, NONE, other than the fantasy in your head.

Its a long term thing.. or were you expecting them to turn up with a youth team full of rugby league players out of their backside?

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:33 pm  

snowie wrote:

by the sounds of it the devil has bought your soul, so you'll be happy then for our club to become a feeder to the rich elite in other countries

Not at all, I just think it's for the good of the game to expand where we can. The rewards for the game of RL if it goes well are potentially unreal if we can get a foothold in NA & the risk is minimal. Also in the modern world, you need people with money and connections in the game - look at how far RU has surpassed us in 15 years. We need to try these things out if we are serious about growing the game.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:50 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Its a long term thing.. or were you expecting them to turn up with a youth team full of rugby league players out of their backside?

No, but I wasn't expecting them to bunce the cap on a squad of 23, a couple on astronomical salaries and the remainder on silly money, and then to bleat about being "special" and needing dispensation, calling other SL clubs naieve and generally thinking opening a cheque book was the answer to everything.

Worship at the alter of TWP if you want, the courtship was brief, the engagement was gone in a heartbeat, the marriage is done and the honeymoon will be over soon, the divorce will be ugly, lets just hope SL isn't taken down by the fallings out between the inlaws.

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:13 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Not at all, I just think it's for the good of the game to expand where we can. The rewards for the game of RL if it goes well are potentially unreal if we can get a foothold in NA & the risk is minimal. Also in the modern world, you need people with money and connections in the game - look at how far RU has surpassed us in 15 years. We need to try these things out if we are serious about growing the game.

Why are you oblivious to what Eric Perez and David Argylle actually said they would bring to the table here with TWP? They said they would produce quality players quickly by grid iron player conversions and get a big NATV deal once in Superleague they would share with other clubs.

They launched the club not you....... For TWP McDermott came out recently to say that there'd be no players or TV money.

So they set their own target for growth, and admitted themselves that they had not met either. So why not accept that, why make up a load of rubbish?

Re: Toronto to host Australia before the Ashes : Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:16 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Not at all, I just think it's for the good of the game to expand where we can. The rewards for the game of RL if it goes well are potentially unreal if we can get a foothold in NA & the risk is minimal. Also in the modern world, you need people with money and connections in the game - look at how far RU has surpassed us in 15 years. We need to try these things out if we are serious about growing the game.

if we got relegated do you actually think we could survive in the championship and have a chance to get back up, we would end up part time and then we would be a feeder club