: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:49 pm  

I am amazed that people expect John and Howard to have bottomless pockets. Have you considered how much they have pit into the club in the lst few years. These men have probably sunk in excess of 1m each into the stadium project and the team. just in recent months without seeing anything for it.

The problem doesn't lie with John, it lies with the fact that professional rugby players can't defend, can't slide across to defend.

: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:04 pm  

Red Willow wrote:

I am amazed that people expect John and Howard to have bottomless pockets. Have you considered how much they have pit into the club in the lst few years. These men have probably sunk in excess of 1m each into the stadium project and the team. just in recent months without seeing anything for it.

The problem doesn't lie with John, it lies with the fact that professional rugby players can't defend, can't slide across to defend.

all i want is a team that i can be proud off , not the rubbish that turn out against the quinns, and why dont they play big phil from the start ,hes the only one whos tried hard all season

: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:09 pm  

smithy68 wrote:

all i want is a team that i can be proud off , not the rubbish that turn out against the quinns

Which comes down to the players on the pitch and the effort they're putting in, not the chairman.

It's not as easy as just going out and throwing money at players. The salary cap, the attractiveness of Salford RLFC against other clubs, the fact that John Wilkinson doesn't have an unlimited amount of money... There's many reasons why we've got what we've got.

It could all yet turn around if things start to go our way. That's the point of the franchise - we've got three years to sort it out. Yes, it's going to be hard, yes we need a big improvement in attitude from the shirts on the pitch and yes it's going to be painful to watch... But there is still time for it to improve, even if it doesn't feel like anything will at the moment.

: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:18 pm  

smithy68 wrote:

SO AM I AND IF MR WILKY CAN SPEND 600,000 ON THE OLD MINING MUSEM THEN WHY CANT HE SPEND IT ON 4 WORLD CLASS PLAYERS

Salary Cap.

Besides, if it wasn't for the money he has put in we probably wouldn't exist at anything above NL2 level now - it's not as if there are loads of money men queuing to take over is it?

: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:34 pm  

Smithy. Well said, I totally agree with you pal. At last someone who has seen the light.
I and lots of other people I know (who don't bother going anymore ) have always said for years " Why don't we break the bank and buy CLASS."

They can hype it up all they want in Advertiser/ Evening News. Quality players put bums on seats

My father once set up a meeting with a coach in the nineties. The coach told my father " I don't sign the players. I coach what I'm given"
I reckon it's still the same.

: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:43 pm  

We dont have the resources to buy world class players though, as has already been said, an we also dont have the pulling power like the likes of leeds, saints have to attract world class players. W e have to make the most of what we have got, and all the negativity on here at the minute doesn't help anything to be honest.

: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:01 am  

Red Eye wrote:

Smithy. Well said, I totally agree with you pal. At last someone who has seen the light.
I and lots of other people I know (who don't bother going anymore ) have always said for years " Why don't we break the bank and buy CLASS."

They can hype it up all they want in Advertiser/ Evening News. Quality players put bums on seats

My father once set up a meeting with a coach in the nineties. The coach told my father " I don't sign the players. I coach what I'm given"
I reckon it's still the same.

thanks for agreeing with me red eye ,while this continues they can cover it as much as they want giving there free tickets away to try and boost the crowds ,but its performances what count ,and maybe steveo was right when he said we wont win another game all season , i hope the players prove me wrong but i doubt it

: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:21 am  

The issue is not whether not we go out & get class players, it's getting the current squad to operate as a team.
The idea of "breaking the bank" to recruit class is, at present a non-starter - the salary cap rules see to that for us - like I said in another post, there are 8 teams in SuperLeague who can spend up to the full cap, £1.6m I believe that we are limited to about £400,000 less than that - so the reality is we are where we are.
Another thing to bear in mind in just throwing an awful lot of money at a very few players is what that does to the whole squad - Wigan are a perfect example - they bought their way out of trouble and ended up having over half of their wage bill being spend on well under half of the squad - how does that go down with everyone else in the organisation?

: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:02 pm  

Red Eye wrote:

Quality players put bums on seats

No it doesn't , and anyhow signing quality players would just give certain sections of the salford support a chance to abuse them. I give you gavin Clinch and Luke Dorn as an example.

And these people who you know who don't go anymore , not taxi drivers by any chance are they

: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:56 pm  

"ARNT YOU ENTITLED TO SAY WHAT YOU FEEL "

Right - to expand:
I blame ForeverReds who sponsor the junior ranks not the first team - what are you thinking off?
I blame the mid 70's team who led me to believe that Salford could win games - it's your fault I get bitter after matches.
I blame Wilky who should sell his home and firm to buy in Aussie imports and get us going.
I blame the coaching team - come on,why can't our players tackle 15 stone muscular giants? The fans can!
I blame the team who are obviously paid workers - not like us, they expect to be paid for their work!
I blame Salford Council who should close Care Homes, leave the roads ungritted, never replace sreet furniture - to buy us a stadium
I blame ...

For God's sake - we are learning about a higher level of SuperLeague than the one we failed in - no one expects more than a couple of victories MAXIMUM. No one expects us to cope with the speed and tactics employed against us untilwe have put a number of games under our belt. No one but a few posters and their followers in the shed.

Let's grow up. Wilky is the best thing Salford ever had, the team has genuine potential, McCrae has done more in Rugby League than most posters put together, the stadium will happen (the Willows is sorely past its sell-by-date) and the club is ran well (better than almost all other clubs).

I give up. No more posts - I'll read Virtual Terrace but not this board in future.
It does not represent the majority of fans - John from Salford perhaps.