Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:51 pm  

The fans are not really going to be the problem. They come, they support their team and they go home. If it was about watching both codes and all will be sweetness and light there wouldn't be a problem for some fans of either club. However, having been to Sale on a couple of occasions there is one major issue for Reds fans. The cost is significantly higher to watch Sale, which reflects the amount they can spend on players.

The biggest problem is Brian Kennedy and his rabid pitbull Steve Diamond. Someone posted on here about Salford dinosaurs spouting vitriol. Well the jingoistic claptrap the Diamond has come out with in recent months is what is worrying many Reds fans. When you put that next to what County fans say you can understand the concerns.

The divide will always exist and Union continues to try to destroy League. Steve Diamond said the Sale were aiming to become a Northern super club. "We want to seize Manchester and the North West of England". If he does not mean that to sound like he wants to come in to Salford, take over and dump us in the mire I don't know what does. He also said " It is a great stadium and deserves to have a World class rugby team playing in it". Once again he has a sideways swipe at the Reds! What he fails to admit is that Sale are hardly World Class right now are they? No Heineken cup this year and struggling to get in to the euor shake up for next year.

I took my father-in-law to Edgely Park a few years ago as he is a former Union player with Fylde. We sat there for 80 minutes in silence. It was like going to church. The only time there was any excitement and people actually got off their seats in anticipation of something happening was when a certain Jason Robinson got the ball. That was the last time Sale looked world class and it was down to player who has his origins in Rugby League.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:56 pm  

The comments attributed to Diamond in the MEN were very quickly withdrawn overnight and have never resurfaced so did he actually make them of was it just a typical MEN piece with a great deal of poetic license?

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:19 pm  

lets just say he was extremely quiet during the official press conference at the announcement of the ground share! The MEN has always been a lot more positive about Sale than it is about us. I doubt they would risk damaging the reputation of the club without proper thought.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:19 pm  

Michigan red wrote: The comments attributed to Diamond in the MEN were very quickly withdrawn overnight and have never resurfaced so did he actually make them of was it just a typical MEN piece with a great deal of poetic license? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... -West.html It was his quote about being able to cherry pick all the best young rugby league talent that disappeared.

Michigan red wrote: The comments attributed to Diamond in the MEN were very quickly withdrawn overnight and have never resurfaced so did he actually make them of was it just a typical MEN piece with a great deal of poetic license? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... -West.html It was his quote about being able to cherry pick all the best young rugby league talent that disappeared.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:42 pm  

Not bothered reading through the whole thread yet as I'm in work so apologise if things have already been said, but my take on it is....

Rugby Union has been trying to belittle and crush the sport of rugby league for years and I am very wary of Sale because I know what Kennedy, Sale, the RFU and the poor management of our own club could possibly mean for Salford. Sale have already come out and said they want to 'take Manchester and the surrounding areas' and they won't stop at anything to make that happen and if that means trampling over Salford in the process then that's what they will do, because they can with help from the RFU no doubt because they need a successful team up north.

We've worked for 15 years to get a stadium built for Salford RLFC and even though it's not ours anymore the fact Sale can just jump in without doing anything knocks me sick. I've heard at the open day they had on Sunday their fans were already talking about making it 'home', they were even discussing decoration in the concourse, they will be having a fans bar as well and even a statute for outside the ground was talked about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can bet your bottom dollar when Sale start to bring the crowds in and put more money into the SMC coffers then no matter what anyone say's they WILL be given priority over Salford. It'll be us who has to move fixtures around and play into their hands I've no doubt about that what so ever.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:54 pm  

Ave It! wrote:

We've worked for 15 years to get a stadium built for Salford RLFC and even though it's not ours anymore the fact Sale can just jump in without doing anything knocks me sick. I've heard at the open day they had on Sunday their fans were already talking about making it 'home', they were even discussing decoration in the concourse, they will be having a fans bar as well and even a statute for outside the ground was talked about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can bet your bottom dollar when Sale start to bring the crowds in and put more money into the SMC coffers then no matter what anyone say's they WILL be given priority over Salford. It'll be us who has to move fixtures around and play into their hands I've no doubt about that what so ever.

It seems strange that people who say 'market forces' meant it was inevitable the joint venture company would have to find another tenant to play in our stadium don't think that when Sale start pouring large amounts of money into the stadium funds they will become primary tenants (whatever the tenancy agreement says) due to those same market forces.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:13 pm  

iBozz wrote:

I would imagine that you had as much say in, and were consulted just as deeply about, your move to Barton as were we - namely, not one single iota. Our respective moves were engineered, for whatever individual reasons, by your Club management and by our Club management.

Erm not quite? Whilst we understand our club relinquished ownership of Barton due to financial constraints and the collapse of Red City Developments, are you under the impression that if it wasn't for the immense effort over 15 years that our clubs management, board of directors and chairman, its supporters, the local Salford council along with Peel Holdings that the Salford Community Stadium would still be there?

There simply would be no stadium but for Salford RLFC and after 15 years back breaking effort the management team for the SCS have let the Ra Ra's slither in for any further financial gain (of which they are quite entitled) but to no satisfaction of the majority of us who were looking forward to OUR VERY OWN new home stadium. FWIW we knew we were moving to a new state of the art stadium, one of which was being solely built for Salford RLFC from the beginning. There was never any intention of letting Sale move into our new facility!

We had our home taken away from us by our own club management and we've been sent down the creek without a paddle IMO! We've lost our old home and now our new place has its doors wide open to all and sundry, its like we've provided the bait for any shark to take lumps out of without a hook and line!

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:44 pm  

Diamond's ill judged/deliberately inflammatory rhetoric (different people will interpret this in their own way) isn't particularly helpful; neither is the comparative wall of silence from SCR management throughout this protracted affair.

Nevertheless, despite the concerns of both sets of fans, it's incumbent that we as stakeholders work together in order to achieve positive outcomes for all.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:52 pm  

The Black Cat wrote:

Erm not quite? Whilst we understand our club relinquished ownership of Barton due to financial constraints and the collapse of Red City Developments, are you under the impression that if it wasn't for the immense effort over 15 years that our clubs management, board of directors and chairman, its supporters, the local Salford council along with Peel Holdings that the Salford Community Stadium would still be there?

There simply would be no stadium but for Salford RLFC and after 15 years back breaking effort the management team for the SCS have let the Ra Ra's slither in for any further financial gain (of which they are quite entitled) but to no satisfaction of the majority of us who were looking forward to OUR VERY OWN new home stadium. FWIW we knew we were moving to a new state of the art stadium, one of which was being solely built for Salford RLFC from the beginning. There was never any intention of letting Sale move into our new facility!

We had our home taken away from us by our own club management and we've been sent down the creek without a paddle IMO! We've lost our old home and now our new place has its doors wide open to all and sundry, its like we've provided the bait for any shark to take lumps out of without a hook and line!

Even though I have played and watched both codes for a number of years, I can totally relate to your emotions and frustrations. The air was turned blue in my house when those seats mysteriously appeared without any explanation. I also agree that there's an inherent unfairness in all of this, even though from a selfish point of view I'll quite enjoy having two teams to watch.

However, we have to get past that as I honestly don't see what we can possibly gain by sulking and lashing out.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:56 pm  

So what does primary tenants actually mean to our club. If their (sale) get priority over fixtures then surely that will only mean our starting fixtures will work.between their home games. How is that such a big problem? Surely they will have to work their opening fixtures around our end fixtures?

I suppose the problems occur if we get regular play off rugby as then there could be the possibility of clashing on a fri night. That's a.bloody big if though.

How else would primary affect us?