Re: harris out : Fri May 23, 2014 9:11 pm  

Red-Devils-PAW wrote: Try and be factual.Noble was in charge for 12 months - his replacement for 2 months. His replacement hasn't had the opportunity to succeed like Noble - New Facilities and confident players Pre-season meetings with suppporters who were told that if they were not successful it would be down to the players. Team spirit - physical preparation-mental toughness - team cohesion Then I see the Wigan signings - Jordan James - from the wooden spoonists.Sarginson from London and Bateman from Bradford all with new body shapes suggesting Mark Bitcon didn't just work his magic on Piggy Riddell and Feka but those named,and the Academy players,suggest Salford are light years behind in matters not within the skill-set of a head coach. Hardly the fault of Iestyn Harris.Nor the fact that the squad available to him was injury-depleted and appeared so languid. If Harris can work with Moss,Roberts and Rod Findlay he can work with anyone.His apprenticeship is complete. He just need a little more time at the biggest most challenging job in his career. Go talk to Youngquest and Bryant.Were they ever on a winning side against Wigan? I'm not sure what you're talking about with the majority of this post, but Harris has absolutely no pedigree or track record as a head coach. He took Crusaders from a top 8 team to bottom of the league within one year (external factors there I know but Noble had assembled the top 8 team in similar circumstances the previous year), and his time as coach of Wales ended with 3 losses from 3 at the World Cup despite the draw being clearly manipulated to give Wales the easiest possible fixtures. He's also arrogant, is known to play favorites and has poor man-management skills - while at Crusaders he actively drove players like Jamie Murphy away from the sport. Noble was in charge of the new Salford team for a couple of months, he'd struggled with injuries and had some poor results but was in a decent enough position at that stage of the season all things considered. Since Harris has taken over, apart from a scrappy win against Bradford in the first week AFAIK the club is yet to win a game. I don't know how you can argue that the decision to sack Noble in favor of Harris was anything other than idiocy from Koukash, who up to that point had mostly done the right things.

Red-Devils-PAW wrote: Try and be factual.Noble was in charge for 12 months - his replacement for 2 months. His replacement hasn't had the opportunity to succeed like Noble - New Facilities and confident players Pre-season meetings with suppporters who were told that if they were not successful it would be down to the players. Team spirit - physical preparation-mental toughness - team cohesion Then I see the Wigan signings - Jordan James - from the wooden spoonists.Sarginson from London and Bateman from Bradford all with new body shapes suggesting Mark Bitcon didn't just work his magic on Piggy Riddell and Feka but those named,and the Academy players,suggest Salford are light years behind in matters not within the skill-set of a head coach. Hardly the fault of Iestyn Harris.Nor the fact that the squad available to him was injury-depleted and appeared so languid. If Harris can work with Moss,Roberts and Rod Findlay he can work with anyone.His apprenticeship is complete. He just need a little more time at the biggest most challenging job in his career. Go talk to Youngquest and Bryant.Were they ever on a winning side against Wigan? I'm not sure what you're talking about with the majority of this post, but Harris has absolutely no pedigree or track record as a head coach. He took Crusaders from a top 8 team to bottom of the league within one year (external factors there I know but Noble had assembled the top 8 team in similar circumstances the previous year), and his time as coach of Wales ended with 3 losses from 3 at the World Cup despite the draw being clearly manipulated to give Wales the easiest possible fixtures. He's also arrogant, is known to play favorites and has poor man-management skills - while at Crusaders he actively drove players like Jamie Murphy away from the sport. Noble was in charge of the new Salford team for a couple of months, he'd struggled with injuries and had some poor results but was in a decent enough position at that stage of the season all things considered. Since Harris has taken over, apart from a scrappy win against Bradford in the first week AFAIK the club is yet to win a game. I don't know how you can argue that the decision to sack Noble in favor of Harris was anything other than idiocy from Koukash, who up to that point had mostly done the right things.

Re: harris out : Fri May 23, 2014 9:42 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Red-Devils-PAW wrote:

He took Crusaders from a top 8 team to bottom of the league within one year (external factors there I know but Noble had assembled the top 8 team in similar circumstances the previous year), and his time as coach of Wales ended with 3 losses from 3 at the World Cup despite the draw being clearly manipulated to give Wales the easiest possible fixtures. He's also arrogant, is known to play favorites and has poor man-management skills - while at Crusaders he actively drove players like Jamie Murphy away from the sport.

Noble was in charge of the new Salford team for a couple of months, he'd struggled with injuries and had some poor results but was in a decent enough position at that stage of the season all things considered. Since Harris has taken over, apart from a scrappy win against Bradford in the first week AFAIK the club is yet to win a game. I don't know how you can argue that the decision to sack Noble in favor of Harris was anything other than idiocy from Koukash, who up to that point had mostly done the right things.

Why this witch hunt against Harris? Shocking. He's had only a Castleford handful of games with a big injury list. Lets look again at the end of the season when he has proved one way or other what he can achieve.

As for his past - first at the Cru - Moss & Roberts were not paying the players - RL players don`t go for that one iota.

As for your comment on Nobby. Did you watch his style of RL? Dinosaur tactics. This is an Entertainment based business. MK knows that and he quickly realised the errors of his appointment. Nobby`s £1.8 mill spend of the Warchest has been appalling but now Harris has to pick up the pieces and somehow plait them into a winning side. Good luck to him.

Re: harris out : Fri May 23, 2014 10:56 pm  

Pie and Proud wrote:

Not as embarrassing as Widnes who spent years in oblivion after being the dominant team of the 70s and 80s!

YOU PRAT !

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: harris out : Sat May 24, 2014 12:37 am  

Red-Devils-PAW wrote: He was so good that when Lenagan went to Wigan,part way through the season from London Harlequins,one of his first decisions was NOT to grant him a further contract. So enamoured was he,with Noble,that when Kearney let slip Lenagan had to go all the way to Australia to find an assistant who could take the head coach role and took Maguire. Strange,but I just cannot recall any of those rugby league experts spouting off and suggesting Lenagan should have given Noble more time. Lenagan extended Noble's contract in 2008 - http://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news Thankfully he saw sense the next season and didn't take up the 2010 option.

Red-Devils-PAW wrote: He was so good that when Lenagan went to Wigan,part way through the season from London Harlequins,one of his first decisions was NOT to grant him a further contract. So enamoured was he,with Noble,that when Kearney let slip Lenagan had to go all the way to Australia to find an assistant who could take the head coach role and took Maguire. Strange,but I just cannot recall any of those rugby league experts spouting off and suggesting Lenagan should have given Noble more time. Lenagan extended Noble's contract in 2008 - http://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news Thankfully he saw sense the next season and didn't take up the 2010 option.

Re: harris out : Sat May 24, 2014 11:25 am  

Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy wrote: Lenagan extended Noble's contract in 2008 - http://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news Thankfully he saw sense the next season and didn't take up the 2010 option. Thanks for that,Andy. Seems Ian Lenagan arranged the previous October to take charge from the December and while he hed things to sort out kept Noble as head coach,as he was already in place Story Interestingly,having got his feet under the table he then gave it a lengthy timeframe for the club to get itself sorted out 3 Years From The Year He Decided To Replace Noble The assistant who he made head coach,Maguire,may have speeded up the process.

Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy wrote: Lenagan extended Noble's contract in 2008 - http://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news Thankfully he saw sense the next season and didn't take up the 2010 option. Thanks for that,Andy. Seems Ian Lenagan arranged the previous October to take charge from the December and while he hed things to sort out kept Noble as head coach,as he was already in place Story Interestingly,having got his feet under the table he then gave it a lengthy timeframe for the club to get itself sorted out 3 Years From The Year He Decided To Replace Noble The assistant who he made head coach,Maguire,may have speeded up the process.

Re: harris out : Sat May 24, 2014 7:17 pm  

I'm surprised Salford went with Harris to be honest.

You'd think the Dr. would have gone for a good, proven Aussie coach rather than an unproven SL assistant.

As for Noble - awful rugby, but it gets results. It definitely has a ceiling though (knocked out early in the playoffs), unless you happen to have the Bradford team of 10 years ago.

Re: harris out : Sat May 24, 2014 8:12 pm  

P-J wrote:

I'm surprised Salford went with Harris to be honest.

You'd think the Dr. would have gone for a good, proven Aussie coach rather than an unproven SL assistant.

As for Noble - awful rugby, but it gets results. It definitely has a ceiling though (knocked out early in the playoffs), unless you happen to have the Bradford team of 10 years ago.

I see Harris as someone who was available to come in straight away. A decent Aussie would have had to wait for Visas, and most other decent Coaches are already tied-up with Clubs that have already started the season. Rather than have more disruption, my thoughts are that he went for the best available at the time.

If Noble had gone at the end of the season (Which was when his contract was up anyway) I'm pretty certain that Harris wouldn't have been the first choice.

Re: harris out : Sun May 25, 2014 8:30 am  

TheButcher wrote:

I see Harris as someone who was available to come in straight away. A decent Aussie would have had to wait for Visas, and most other decent Coaches are already tied-up with Clubs that have already started the season. Rather than have more disruption, my thoughts are that he went for the best available at the time.

If Noble had gone at the end of the season (Which was when his contract was up anyway) I'm pretty certain that Harris wouldn't have been the first choice.

I agree,Butcher,but the decision for change without disruption would surely have been his original plan.
Noble stays in place but with Harris as assistant,rather than the botched Director of Rugby sop

Re: harris out : Sun May 25, 2014 9:11 am  

Bonita Red wrote:

I agree,Butcher,but the decision for change without disruption would surely have been his original plan.
Noble stays in place but with Harris as assistant,rather than the botched Director of Rugby sop

I'd like to think that there's probably more to the story than we're privvy to. I'm sure that MK was stuck between a rock and a hard place and he tried to make a decision that would soften the blow for all parties. The decision was plainly not on performance/results but due to 'other' reasons.

It's certainly a factor in our run of defeats as more disruption was forthcoming.

Re: harris out : Sun May 25, 2014 10:29 am  

P-J wrote:

You'd think the Dr. would have gone for a good, proven Aussie coach rather than an unproven SL assistant.

Do you mean a proven Aussie coach in Australia or one already in this country? A new appointment would mean a new set of assistants.

Iestyn Harris came to the club for an interview to be yet another assistant to Brian Noble.He obviously didn't have enough with his first choice(s) of Andy Hay,Stu Donlan and later,Sean Long.
That wasn't sufficient for him.Noble also brought in the new strength and conditioning team.

Iestyn Harris was appointed head coach and has not brought anyone 'new' in to assist.
Sean Long is still here so the disruption has been kept to a minimum.