Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:01 pm  

Some of the comments on here are laughable. I had to check the date then to realise it wasn't the early 1900s and it was in fact 2012.

Somebody used the term Dinosaur. That sums up some of the views perfectly.

If you think the divide between League and Union and indeed the working and middle classes is still exactly how it used to be you are absolutely warped.

Here's the harsh reality - I don't mean this in a snobby way as I like both codes, but a lot of Union fans don't actually give League the time of day. Now before you quote me on that one line let me make it clear what I mean. They don't think about League, it doesn't pass their minds, they get on supporting their own team, their own sport. It's not just me who feels this way, this comment I'm about to use is used on this, the Wigan forum and the Union thread too - but a lot of League fans have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Union. It's a shame, as no Union fan I've ever met has had a bad word to say about the other code. As a United fan (Manchester United, but of course being from Salford you all support them and know who they are anyway) I know exactly what it's like. Stockport County fans absolutely hate us and City. Yet you ask a single United fan to name a Stockport player and they couldn't. Not through ignorance, not through dislike, but because Stockport simply don't effect their lives, it's not a club that doesn't pass through their minds. A lot of League fans seem to take a negative stand from the start. All because of a period that even their Grandfathers would be too young to remember. I think a very small minority of League fans care more about being working class than they care about their team. So what? You're working class? Good for you. So am I, it's not something I care about though or feel the need to go on about. Football is historically a working class sport, isn't it? You don't hear the fans going on about it all the time. Maybe that's to do with the fact times change. You're not telling me working class Joe pays £110 for a ticket at Arsenal every week are you? Has a corporate box at Old Trafford? My mates are all working class, yet some have done well for themselves, got 2 houses, 2 cars. Surely on paper they're middle class? Again, times change, things expand and develop. It's not as black and white as it once was. So no, the divide isn't the same as it once was.

If you're using historic references and judging Union as a sport for the middle classes down south, then fine. But in all my years supporting Sale I've never come across one toff, one person with plumbs in their mouth, one person who hates Rugby League. Over on our forum we've got Catalans, Wigan, Salford, Warrington and St Helens fans. Bitterness is a terrible thing. Whether you've been brought up to hate Union or whatever, fine. That's your life. But don't be coming on here telling us you know more about Sale fans than the Sale fans themselves without checking your facts first. I understand some people have had personal interactions with the League and Union divide, I'm not coming on here to tell you you're wrong. If that's happened to you, then it has, and it's a shame. I'm not thick enough to believe that elitism doesn't still exist in some areas. Personally though I couldn't give a poop. Granted there aren't many Sale or Rugby Union fans where I live compared to Football. But for me it's about the class on the field, not off it.

As I've said on here before - it's lucky a few of you are obviously keyboard warriors. As the majority are very pleasant and have been welcoming to Sale fans in the flesh and online. iBozz is a good guy and a gent, so to take what he said, knowing full well it was a nice, welcoming message and turning it into your own paranoia about Union still killing League is just not on.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:02 pm  

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

Ave It! wrote:

Yet again you offer nothing to the debate. If you don't think that Rugby Union, its fans and players think they're better than us then fine offer me a counter argument. If you think the people running our club won't be bullied by Sale's big cheeses then fine. Explain to me what we will do/are doing to stop this happening? Sale have had one open day so far with another one today and they've already made more of the stadium than we have in nearly half a season.

To discuss the latter part of your post. Your complaining about sale doing things the right way! Probably made to look so much better by the complete disaster or board made of the only and only chance they had to move to a new home in style and encourage potential new supporters. That's not sales fault its ours.
Also if our board do get bullied by another organization on a similar contract will tell us everything we need to know about the quality of their management.

It seems to me a large part of this hatred of sale is more due to the realisation of many that our club probably are the potential makers of their own destruction.

If salford can't become a success its not sales fault

No, where am I having a pop at Sale for doing things the right way? I agree the fact that we don't go about things the right way is our fault not Sales, but the fact that we have two clubs playing a different code from the same stadium with one club that's run professionally (Sale) and one that's run so poorly (Salford) means that we will be shown up royally by the rah rahs and we will end up playing second fiddle to them in a stadium that should by all rights be ours. 15 years of graft, then for Sale to come in and take over (which they will) is the bit I can't stand.

Sale have reputation that goes with them, that reputation didn't just appear overnight. Couple that again with Rugby Union trying to kill league for many many years, its a recipe for disaster.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:10 pm  

Ave it -come for that drink - Salesharks won't be taking over and I can explain why.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:11 pm  

iBozz wrote:

1/I don't live there.
2/I'm interested in theatre
3/perhaps you could tell me the names of all the theatres, both professional and amateur in Salford?
4/It may not be an interest of yours and, if it isn't, I wouldn't expect you to know them.

A few points from your response

1/Exactly and thats what pi$$es me off as well.

2/You really are matching all the sterotypes aren't you

3/Ever heard of The Lowry ?
The other is the Salford Arts Theatre.
There were a lot more at one stage but unfortuntely they have closed down, probably due to the fact that Common Salford folk dont understand that sort of thing
As for Amateur there are plenty, I wont list them but just google it and you will find them.

4/Its not a huge interest although I do go to the theatre ocassionally and yes as you can see I do know them

If you had taken a minute to even look into what we have in Salford and not just look at the fact we have a Stadium then I might have taken you a bit more seriously.
You never know you might even like what you see.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:12 pm  

Couple that again with Rugby Union trying to kill league for many many years,

Look no further than the BBC for proof of that!!!!!

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:21 pm  

Dirty old town,written by Ewan Maccoll, Salford lad,one line written,Smelled the smoke on the Salford wind, the song was written in reference to SALFORD and the angry young men,anything else you leeches want to take or try to take away from us,like our game or maybe even the ground we play in.Drink with you lot,yeah right.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:25 pm  

Shark J writes a constructive post.
I've been a Salford supporter for 50 years,born and bred in Salford, but I went a few times to watch Sale at Heywood Road.
Supporters were same as us really,just reflecting a different catchment area.
It's a done deal so we should approach it positively.
The glass is half full

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:33 pm  

mitie mouse wrote:

Dirty old town,written by Ewan Maccoll, Salford lad,one line written,Smelled the smoke on the Salford wind, the song was written in reference to SALFORD and the angry young men,anything else you leeches want to take or try to take away from us,like our game or maybe even the ground we play in.Drink with you lot,yeah right.

Do you scream yourself to sleep every night?

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:41 pm  

EX.SALF.UNI wrote:

Do you scream yourself to sleep every night?

Yeah, singing dirty old town and if that does`nt work matchstalk men and matchstalk cats and dogs,and if that does`nt work i read your posts,that always does the trick.

Re: A message from a Sale supporter : Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:45 pm  

Prestwich

Just why is liking theatre reinforcing stereotypes? I work in one.

Are you suggesting the league supporters are incapable of liking theatre?

And I'm not really sure why it's an offence in not knowing that salford has a football club. I'm sure that there are a large number of things which i don't know about Salford - and everywhere else for that matter, whether I live there or not.

You suggest that I should have found out whether Salford has a football team? Why?

Should I also find out if they have a pool club, a synchronised swimming club, a bar billiards club, a hockey club, a crown green bowls club - none of which I am ever likely to use?

And where have I ever said or implied that I dislike what I see in Salford? I've worked there, and I go there a fair bit even though now retired. I don't dislike any of it.