Re: 2,381 : Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:10 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Dave Grohl? Not even the best drummer in Foo Fighters

I agree with you there, Yed. I was only thinking his contribution to another band may make him the best drummer to someone.

Re: 2,381 : Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:10 am  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Cozy Powell, definite. But to put Phil Collins and Cozy Powell in the same sphere is madness.

How so?

Do you rate Collins that low a drummer?

Re: 2,381 : Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:30 am  

I can never get comparing drummers. How can you say one is better than another. Nearly all drummers of established bands are tight on timing, so what makes one stand out over another? more complex drumming patterns?

My favourite drummers are Keith Moon, Reni & Matt Helders. Mainly due to their effortless style and that they are in three of my favourite bands.

Re: 2,381 : Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:44 am  

I propose people check out some Carter Beauford drum solos on a popular video sharing website. Very good drummer.

Re: 2,381 : Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:05 am  

latchfordbob wrote:

I can never get comparing drummers. How can you say one is better than another. Nearly all drummers of established bands are tight on timing, so what makes one stand out over another? more complex drumming patterns?

My favourite drummers are Keith Moon, Reni & Matt Helders. Mainly due to their effortless style and that they are in three of my favourite bands.

He's a great drummer. Especially when you consider he only took them up cause they were the only instrument left for the band.

The rest of the band, of late, is mehh

Re: 2,381 : Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:20 pm  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

The RFL have tried and tried again with the London experiment, and bar the early Fulham days (and the early SL days), it's not worked. Don't ask me why. They've had different sites to build the support on, and they've moved within a couple of years of being at each venue. They had a decent side when SL started. They've managed to attract NRL names, they've had immunity from relegation, and umpteen £'s thrown at them.....the cockneys (as a whole) aren't interested in our game.

I'm sure we'll be having this discussion in 10 and then another 10 years time. It's time for the RFL to bite the bullet, and make a decision, before the lack of crowds makes it for them.


P.S. jdrocket. Why do you have a picture of the rock world's greatest drummer as an avatar. You seem a little too young to be appreciating a dinosaur band
I 've got his keyboard playing mate as mine.
All we need is for Matt King's Cat to get a picture of Mr Rutherford, and we're sorted

Done Lefty. Wonder if he's still got that doubleneck?

Re: OT: Drummers : Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:05 pm  

Geordie is better...

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: OT: Drummers : Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:06 pm  

from a slightly different genre i'd put forward igor cavalera.

on a slightly guilty pleasure, youtube for a bloke called steve moore, or 'drummer at wrong gig'

Re: OT: Drummers : Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:32 pm  

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Re: OT: Drummers : Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:46 pm  

Disgruntledgoat wrote:

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Growing up in the 70's the prog rock bands were massively popular but times change and by 78/79 prog was on the way out. The bands that didn't change their style slowly disappered but Genesis changed into an extremely successful pop/rock band and while still churning out hits could still hark back to some of their previous style.
To me their finest work was during the Gabriel/Hackett years but they gained a much bigger audience after they had gone.
Little to choose between drummers, all the ones mentioned are/were fine musicians but Collins' relaxed style did suit Genesis' music perfectly. He was very popular with other artist playing on albums for many others including tours with Clapton and the late great John Martyn.