: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:22 pm  

Mark wrote:

When he had a centre that passed he was fine and give him a centre that tackles as well he would be fine, interesting to note that over the past few weeks I have seen Ainscough, Hall and Briscoe all make a few errors yet they escape mass criticism, that's probably due their fans getting behind them and having a coaching team willing to work with them.

There always has to be a replacement for Wainwright.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:33 pm  

i'd describe matt king as an x-rated gesture player.

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:34 pm  

Gleeson.

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:46 pm  

Bobby_Peru wrote:

One of Wires greatest problems over the past few years is the acquisition (through large of sums of money) of these supposed 'X-Factor' players. Rather than building/buying players that would form a co-cohesive TEAM.

Since we've moved into the new stadium we haven't signed players with X factor other than Gleeson and Johns.

Don't confuse big names with being X factor players, Reardon, Johnson, Rauhihi, the Andersons are not players who can break a game, neither really are King or Monaghan, even if they'd played up to their reputations at former clubs.

By X factor player you need someone like Leon Pryce, or Jason Robinson. Warrington have had all too few of these. Jonathan Davies had it, Iestyn Harris had it, Allan Langer, Nigel Vagana. We had other players who had X factor at first but then lost it (Henare, Toa, Appo).

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:55 pm  

Mark wrote:

When he had a centre that passed he was fine and give him a centre that tackles as well he would be fine, interesting to note that over the past few weeks I have seen Ainscough, Hall and Briscoe all make a few errors yet they escape mass criticism, that's probably due their fans getting behind them and having a coaching team willing to work with them.

Ainscoughs made some Shocking errors but Eddie And Stevo love wigan youngsters dont they (not in a gay way btw) thats why he's escaped criticism

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:58 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

Ainscoughs made some Shocking errors but Eddie And Stevo love wigan youngsters dont they (not in a gay way btw) thats why he's escaped criticism

Does he get criticism from the Wigan fans? That's probably the main difference.

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:00 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Since we've moved into the new stadium we haven't signed players with X factor other than Gleeson and Johns.

Don't confuse big names with being X factor players.

This is the point i`m making, if people look at our starting line up for most games then Martin Gleeson is the only player that would really worry an opposition coach where that coach would try and take extra measures to contain the threat of that player.

After that we only really have Micky Higham but we don`t know enough about him yet to judge his consistency, your spot on with your comment about so called big name players and comparing them to players that genuinley have the X factor.

To me our present backline is awful, i would only keep Martin Gleeson out of the current backline and possibly Hicks at a push but he is getting on now and he certainly isn`t an X factor player.

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:02 pm  

Rob Wire wrote:

This is the point i`m making, if people look at our starting line up for most games then Martin Gleeson is the only player that would really worry an opposition coach where that coach would try and take extra measures to contain the threat of Martin Gleeson

After that we only really have Micky Higham but we don`t know enough about him yet to judge his consistency, your spot on with your comment about so called big name players and comparing them to players that genuinley have the X factor.

To me our present backline is awful, i would only keep Martin Gleeson out of the current backline and possibly Hicks at a push but he is getting on now and he certainly isn`t an X factor player.

Would you have Michael Shenton Rob?

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:05 pm  

Mark wrote:

Would you have Michael Shenton Rob?

Without any shadow of a doubt, i think he`s the best english left centre we currently have in this country and he wouldn`t command NRL type money.

You could even off set a transfer fee for Shenton and he would still probably command less money than King over the same period, He`s a very good prospect and your talking of a centre here that can beat players, King couldn`t beat an egg.

: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:13 pm  

Rob Wire wrote:

Without any shadow of a doubt, i think he`s the best english left centre we currently have in this country and he wouldn`t command NRL type money.

You could even off set a transfer fee for Shenton and he would still probably command less money than King over the same period, He`s a very good prospect and your talking of a centre here that can beat players, King couldn`t beat an egg.

He'd be good with Penny as well, another poster gave me the idea but these are the players we should be targeting, young british players.