Re: Sam Burgess : Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:09 am  

Sam is great for our club. There are some things that he does that are a bit questionable but because it is Sam we all back him. What a leader.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:34 am  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

I don't like praising NON ACHIEVEMENT, but the way this fella has turned this club around since the previous incumbent, we should build him a statue.

Powell DECIMATED our club, and for the turnaround to be so quick, can only be lauded to Burgess

What about a statue for Steve Price, he took over the shambles we were in at the end of the TS era and got us to two finals in year 1 and won a Challenge Cup in year 2.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:50 pm  

Have always thought coaching is more about personality & getting the best out of your players rather than technical expertise. The players need love /respect you. Our club often gets slated for thinking big but it came off here.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:53 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

What about a statue for Steve Price, he took over the shambles we were in at the end of the TS era and got us to two finals in year 1 and won a Challenge Cup in year 2.

I know we were all a bit peed off that Price couldn't seem to motivate us once we'd signed him up some big-name prima donnas, but you can't argue with what he achieved in the first 18 months. Boring rugby, but he took that bang average 2018 squad to two major finals (Roberts and Brown half-back combination!) and then won the Cup with Hughes and Patton at half-back. I reckon he is the only coach who could pull that off. Maybe Wane and Burgess if given a shot.

He definitely wasn't going to win us the big one, AND give us an entertaining team to bring fans through the door though.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:15 pm  

Sam's done well this season and quashed a lot of peoples doubts.
His reputation as a player was second to none. Players can relate to him. They respect him and want to play for him. It will be interesting to see how he - and the team - develop over the next couple of years. One season is promising, three more so.

In the Super League era Tony Smith is the only one I'd say was a top class coach - no matter how much I enjoyed short periods with other coaches (the Cullen Andrew Johns match v Leeds, the Price CC win over Saints etc).

Lowes - a disaster.
Price - BORING
Powell - results speak for themselves, but I do think that he took the hit for many things that were not of his doing or in his control. Don't get me wrong - he must take a fair share of blame but those around him - players, administrators etc - must also do so. We needed a major reset, and we got that but maybe not in the way we expected.

I'm looking forward to next year, but we need to recruit the right players. It's disconcerting how we struggled in the forward battle on a number of ocsssions this year - not least v HKR.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sun Oct 06, 2024 8:58 pm  

easyWire wrote:

I know we were all a bit peed off that Price couldn't seem to motivate us once we'd signed him up some big-name prima donnas, but you can't argue with what he achieved in the first 18 months. Boring rugby, but he took that bang average 2018 squad to two major finals (Roberts and Brown half-back combination!) and then won the Cup with Hughes and Patton at half-back. I reckon he is the only coach who could pull that off. Maybe Wane and Burgess if given a shot.

He definitely wasn't going to win us the big one, AND give us an entertaining team to bring fans through the door though.

Can’t take it away from Price.

He wasn’t allowed to bring in the players. Fitzpatrick took it upon himself to do that.
Price and Briers making do with the hand dealt to him and gave me to of the best games in the last decade.
Beating Saints at Wembley, and beating Saints away in the SL eliminators..”Lineham,Lineham…LINEHAM!!!”

Re: Sam Burgess : Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:50 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

What about a statue for Steve Price, he took over the shambles we were in at the end of the TS era and got us to two finals in year 1 and won a Challenge Cup in year 2.

He should have quit whilst he was ahead mid season 2019. Would have avoided the 3 home playoff flops 2019, 2020, 2021 where he lost his statue rights.

Re: Sam Burgess : Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:53 am  

Wires71 wrote:

He should have quit whilst he was ahead mid season 2019. Would have avoided the 3 home playoff flops 2019, 2020, 2021 where he lost his statue rights.

So the “Statue of Limitations “ applies?
I shall get my coat, hat and umbrella…

Re: Sam Burgess : Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:34 am  

Wires71 wrote:

He should have quit whilst he was ahead mid season 2019. Would have avoided the 3 home playoff flops 2019, 2020, 2021 where he lost his statue rights.

It's like that line in the Batman movie, you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

How differently Cullen would have been remembered if he left at the end of 2005, or if TS left alongside Briers and Morley after 2013...?

In Price's case though things had already started to go sour even by that Challenge Cup final win. His reputation peaked about a third of the way through his second season when Blake Austin was tearing everyone up and was favourite for Man of Steel. But then opponents seemed to work us out. I remember going to Wembley in 2019 with a sense of us sliding downwards and although that single win was the best big game performance I've ever seen from a Wire team, people on here were muttering within weeks that that had just "papered over the cracks" and I reluctantly agreed.

Re: Sam Burgess : Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:06 pm  

I think after Wembley 2019 the performances were abject & i don't believe it was all at the coaches door. The same gang managed to excel at Wembley.