Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:38 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Was it bad coaching, team selection, or tactics in 2017 when we ended up the in the middle 8's?

Was it bad coaching, team selection, or tactics in 2019 when we went on a losing streak of 6 games when we had given up after winning the cup?

Was it bad coaching, team selection, or tactics that caused us to exit the play offs at the first hurdle 2019, 2020 and 2021?

Was it bad coaching, team selection, or tactics that caused a player to turn up to an international airport without a passport?

Just needed a couple of top class props to supplement the efforts of the over used and flogged Hill and Cooper, didn’t we? That seemed the general consensus around the 2019, 2020 and 2021 seasons, didn’t it?

As for 2017, well Tony Smith was the problem then wasn’t he? The day to day coaching done by Agar while Smith took a back seat. Stale, needed time out of the game and to recharge the batteries, didn’t he?

Props. Buy some props to help Hill and Cooper they begged for so long. The club failed to deliver on that front year after year. Now we’ve gone from being there or there abouts, to relegation fodder and it’s all down to attitude, application and a bunch of bad apples.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:41 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Was it bad coaching, team selection, or tactics in 2017 when we ended up the in the middle 8's?

You wanted Smith gone around that time too didn’t you? So yes, I guess you could say it was to do with the coaching side of things back then that were the issues if you want to be consistent in your criticisms of Smith from back then.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:08 pm  

DAG wrote:

You wanted Smith gone around that time too didn’t you? So yes, I guess you could say it was to do with the coaching side of things back then that were the issues if you want to be consistent in your criticisms of Smith from back then.

Yes I did. I saw we were drifting further away from winning a GF rather than moving towards it.

I wanted Smith to leave from 2017 onwards (7 years in the job, should have gone earlier really)

Price from October 2019 onwards (2 years in the job)

Powell has been in post 16 games.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:15 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Powell has been in post 16 games.

And we've played well twice, but only won one of those games.

I wouldn't sack him by the way.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:18 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Yes I did. I saw we were drifting further away from winning a GF rather than moving towards it.

I wanted Smith to leave from 2017 onwards (7 years in the job, should have gone earlier really)

Price from October 2019 onwards (2 years in the job)

Powell has been in post 16 games.

But, Smith won about 10 of his first 16, including a cup run. Powell won 3 in a row in February, then TWO since. It’s June.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:02 pm  

#KissKamOut

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:34 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

But, Smith won about 10 of his first 16, including a cup run. Powell won 3 in a row in February, then TWO since. It’s June.

Someone somewhere posted about smiths first season in charge)(09)

He got lots of breathing room during thst transition period as pre season had been loved up goodstyle by James lower and his boxer mate conditioner.

We were worlds apart in 2010

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:35 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

But, Smith won about 10 of his first 16, including a cup run. Powell won 3 in a row in February, then TWO since. It’s June.

True. Compare the squad then to now though.

I don't think anyone is saying "Keep Powell" on the basis of the performances this year. They are doing so on the basis that they a) believe he is a good coach that plays good rugby b) is up against it with a poorly balanced squad c) is the first coach I can remember with the balls to question and try to change our culture. d) accept it will take more than 16 games to change things.

To my mind there is no harm in being patient to see what happens. We were not winning anything this season anyway and I don't believe there is a realistic possibility of relegation. Others may disagree and that is what makes the world go round.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:46 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote: Someone somewhere posted about smiths first season in charge)(09) He got lots of breathing room during thst transition period as pre season had been loved up goodstyle by James lower and his boxer mate conditioner. We were worlds apart in 2010 People forget this game in early 2009. London 60 - 8 Wire. http://www.loverugbyleague.com/stats/ma ... on-wolves/ As Smith said at the time "As far as I am concerned we have hit the lowest point, but sometimes you have to reach that to start climbing again," "The players have to make a choice. They can either go and sulk or stick with me and try to rectify things. The scoreboard rarely lies and we were comfortably second-best today." We went on to win the Challenge Cup later that season.

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote: Someone somewhere posted about smiths first season in charge)(09) He got lots of breathing room during thst transition period as pre season had been loved up goodstyle by James lower and his boxer mate conditioner. We were worlds apart in 2010 People forget this game in early 2009. London 60 - 8 Wire. http://www.loverugbyleague.com/stats/ma ... on-wolves/ As Smith said at the time "As far as I am concerned we have hit the lowest point, but sometimes you have to reach that to start climbing again," "The players have to make a choice. They can either go and sulk or stick with me and try to rectify things. The scoreboard rarely lies and we were comfortably second-best today." We went on to win the Challenge Cup later that season.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:08 pm  

DallasMead2 wrote:

#KissKamOut

The constant repetition of this may be doing wonders for your post count, but it isn’t doing much for your reputation.