Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:49 am  

Fourpointtry wrote:

There was a huge moan last year that the bans for players were excessive - they’ve rectified this and reduced the sanctions of each grading.
We need to wait for the minutes to be released, but he has now been twice found guilty of using language that has no place in society, never mind from somebody representing our town and our sport on a national stage. I expect a very good explanation as to why his bags haven’t already been packed, the silence from the club on this is deafening.

I would think the club have to follow a legal process here. The player may well wish to appeal, which may delay things if it is something we have to wait for before we are allowed to terminate any contract due to behaviour. (If that is indeed on the cards).

I'm sure there will be various meetings at the club today and a statement will come.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:56 am  

Fourpointtry wrote:

There was a huge moan last year that the bans for players were excessive - they’ve rectified this and reduced the sanctions of each grading.
We need to wait for the minutes to be released, but he has now been twice found guilty of using language that has no place in society, never mind from somebody representing our town and our sport on a national stage. I expect a very good explanation as to why his bags haven’t already been packed, the silence from the club on this is deafening.

its called due process, they had to go through the disciplinary procedure, to see what happens there, as he may have been denying it again. they can't just click their fingers and say begone, like in most walks of life. its not like in the movies.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:58 am  

If McGuire is or isn't guilty as charged & there is mischief coming from the opposition, i would think the whole episode has put a cloud over our team & its performances on the field. We have a situation where the players have loyalties to McGuire as a current team member & also to past teammates at Leigh ,some they have played alongside since childhood. Hopefully,a line can be drawn under the "incident" quickly & the Wire can concentrate on playing rugby again.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:07 am  

I don't think any Wire fan (or official) would defend him if irrefutable proof came to light that he said what is reported. We all agree it has no place iife, society or the sport.

What doesn't quite sit well with me is that he has been disciplined on, it would appear, subjective, unconfirmed allegations from an opposition player.

If such allegations were made against me, I'd expect to see tangible evidence and if none was forthcoming I'd expect the charges to be dismissed.

So, either the RFL aren't operating with total transparency, or they are desperate to be seen to be doing the right thing even if there is no evidence.

The solution is simple - release the details of the charge, supporting evidence and minutes.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:12 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

its called due process, they had to go through the disciplinary procedure, to see what happens there, as he may have been denying it again. they can't just click their fingers and say begone, like in most walks of life. its not like in the movies.

Absolutely - but what we have at the moment is a heap of negative press stories and no response from the club.
If I were Wire I’d be putting out an interim statement.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:53 am  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

I don't think any Wire fan (or official) would defend him if irrefutable proof came to light that he said what is reported. We all agree it has no place iife, society or the sport.

What doesn't quite sit well with me is that he has been disciplined on, it would appear, subjective, unconfirmed allegations from an opposition player.

If such allegations were made against me, I'd expect to see tangible evidence and if none was forthcoming I'd expect the charges to be dismissed.

So, either the RFL aren't operating with total transparency, or they are desperate to be seen to be doing the right thing even if there is no evidence.

The solution is simple - release the details of the charge, supporting evidence and minutes.

They will be, as they do every week , it just hasn't been done yet

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:54 am  

Fourpointtry wrote:

Absolutely - but what we have at the moment is a heap of negative press stories and no response from the club.
If I were Wire I’d be putting out an interim statement.

You can't control negative press, if we put a statement out at the moment, it'll just lead to more negative press, and complaints that it hasn't said anything.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:59 am  

https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... uspension/

https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... uspension/

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:07 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

I don't think any Wire fan (or official) would defend him if irrefutable proof came to light that he said what is reported. We all agree it has no place iife, society or the sport.

What doesn't quite sit well with me is that he has been disciplined on, it would appear, subjective, unconfirmed allegations from an opposition player.

If such allegations were made against me, I'd expect to see tangible evidence and if none was forthcoming I'd expect the charges to be dismissed.

So, either the RFL aren't operating with total transparency, or they are desperate to be seen to be doing the right thing even if there is no evidence.

The solution is simple - release the details of the charge, supporting evidence and minutes.

This. For all we know he walked into that tribunal and just admitted he'd said it and just doesn't grasp the gravity of his words. Until we see the minutes we won't know how subjective his comments were, whether he meant what he said, or whether he's just a poop house who meant it and freely admitted it (probably because he wants to go home!).

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:38 pm  

Another antipodean signing that turned out to be a disaster, and we cannot say we weren't warned in this case.