Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:57 pm  

Chris Hicks...wasn't he re-signed then told he was no longer needed to get Joel here ,probably to keep Michael from moving on ? What a fiasco.

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:58 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

Wood? Didn't the club stick by him after some very odd behaviour?
Carvell, don't think the club did anything wrong (and hardly Mr Loyal himself)
Higham...left US in the lurch
Hodgson I'll concede
Bridge? What did the club do wrong?
Harrison, presumably was paid up BUT could've been handled better.
J Monaghan...can't see anything wrong, in fact most on here called him as past his sell by date before he left.

I am led to believe all these players had fallings out with the boss prior to their departure. Im not saying it wasn't the right thing to get rid, but players talk amongst themselves and it creates a bad atmosphere (i would imagine).... So Smith has a clear out and gets rids of all the 'bad apples'. The younger lads see it happening over and over and over...player after player, after player.... And now its happened again and i bet a load of them are thinking 'oh no not this again'.

Hard to play your best rugby when squad morale is on the floor.

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:12 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

I am led to believe all these players had fallings out with the boss prior to their departure. Im not saying it wasn't the right thing to get rid, but players talk amongst themselves and it creates a bad atmosphere (i would imagine).... So Smith has a clear out and gets rids of all the 'bad apples'. The younger lads see it happening over and over and over...player after player, after player.... And now its happened again and i bet a load of them are thinking 'oh no not this again'.

Hard to play your best rugby when squad morale is on the floor.

This is right. Same with Joel he could have joined his brother in France when he knew he wasn't going to be part of the team next year but the TS wouldn't release him then once the offer was off the table told him they didn't want him.

Doesn't look good to all the young up and coming players. Why would they want their future there when they see how it ends!

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:37 pm  

Smith's delusion gets greater by the week. We can still make The Top 4 even if we lose the first 7 http://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/st-helens-vs-warrington/preview/46026

Smith's delusion gets greater by the week. We can still make The Top 4 even if we lose the first 7 http://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/st-helens-vs-warrington/preview/46026

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:00 pm  

Tiz Lad wrote: Smith's delusion gets greater by the week. We can still make The Top 4 even if we lose the first 7 http://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/st-helens-vs-warrington/preview/46026 Right Tiz, you are the coach being interviewed, what are you going to say before the next match at this stage of the season, "I have made a right 'town halls' of it and the season's all but over, it's all about planning for next year now, hopefully if we can pull of that elusive first win in the million pound game and we will have a real tilt at the GF next time around"? It is annoying and repetitively dull, but, it's hardly delusional for him to keep stating that the season isn't over and we aren't a right off for honours, you never know he might not even believe what he saying is true, but, he has little choice or unfortunately it would seem an idea of his part in putting things right

Tiz Lad wrote: Smith's delusion gets greater by the week. We can still make The Top 4 even if we lose the first 7 http://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/st-helens-vs-warrington/preview/46026 Right Tiz, you are the coach being interviewed, what are you going to say before the next match at this stage of the season, "I have made a right 'town halls' of it and the season's all but over, it's all about planning for next year now, hopefully if we can pull of that elusive first win in the million pound game and we will have a real tilt at the GF next time around"? It is annoying and repetitively dull, but, it's hardly delusional for him to keep stating that the season isn't over and we aren't a right off for honours, you never know he might not even believe what he saying is true, but, he has little choice or unfortunately it would seem an idea of his part in putting things right

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:20 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Right Tiz, you are the coach being interviewed, what are you going to say before the next match at this stage of the season, "I have made a right 'town halls' of it and the season's all but over, it's all about planning for next year now, hopefully if we can pull of that elusive first win in the million pound game and we will have a real tilt at the GF next time around"?

It is annoying and repetitively dull, but, it's hardly delusional for him to keep stating that the season isn't over and we aren't a right off for honours, you never know he might not even believe what he saying is true, but, he has little choice or unfortunately it would seem an idea of his part in putting things right

Got to agree here. Even if they don't make it into the top 4 it wouldn't take much to get into top 8 and at very least, make it difficult for some teams.

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:13 pm  

Saints finished 4th after 23 rounds last year losing 9.

Saints finished 4th after 30 rounds last year losing 10

They would have finished 4th had they lost 13, or even 14 depending on points difference.

Glass half full or half empty?

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:52 pm  

It's not out of reach, it's unlikely but it could happen.

Hull were top at the split into the 8's and they lost 6 games (same as us but we had one draw too)
Saints were fourth with 9 losses, and Wakefield and Widnes both had 13 losses up to round 23.

We need to get a move on, but we can make the 8 and hopefully keep in striking distance for the 4. But a change has to happen quickly.

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:01 pm  

Monkswire wrote:

This is right. Same with Joel he could have joined his brother in France when he knew he wasn't going to be part of the team next year but the TS wouldn't release him then once the offer was off the table told him they didn't want him.

Doesn't look good to all the young up and coming players. Why would they want their future there when they see how it ends!

I hope you will forgive my cynicism, but with that level of inside knowledge how come you have only just joined?

Re: Smith Out : Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:01 pm  

Smith's Brolly wrote:

Got to agree here. Even if they don't make it into the top 4 it wouldn't take much to get into top 8 and at very least, make it difficult for some teams.

So the sum total of that club's ambitions, with one of the most expensively assembled squads in SuperLeague is to make it difficult for the Top 4 teams, if that's not reason enough for Smith to be sacked, I don't know what is