[Wanderer]

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:33 am  

From the moment he (Moore) came running round for a better look I was convinced he guessed. Nothing since has changed my mind.

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:32 pm  

Why does the video ref have to be 100% certain? It just comes down to probability.

If someone is only 70% confident, but has seen the try scoring attempt multiple times, from multiple close-up angles and in slow motion, why would you then defer to someone who has seen it only once, from one angle, at a distance and in real time and with only a few seconds to make a decision?

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:33 pm  

Captains challenge is in for next season. BUT the nonsense of the try no try is still going to be here

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:15 am  

I've been vehemently against this, but the furore around the try in the playoff has sort of put me off, because even without that rule, it'd have probably been given with benefit of the doubt.

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:32 am  

There is no perfect system but I think I'd go with giving the ref. the option of try/no try/don't know. If he says try or no try/ ... the video ref. has to have have sufficient evidence to over-rule.
Whatever we do believe me it is better than the days without video when all sorts of awful decisions were made.

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:40 am  

Smiffy27 wrote:

There is no perfect system but I think I'd go with giving the ref. the option of try/no try/don't know. If he says try or no try/try ... the video ref. has to have have sufficient evidence to over-rule.
Whatever we do believe me it is better than the days without video when all sorts of awful decisions were made.

The game shouldn’t have a “I don’t know” call unless all games at all levels have the ability to review the call…
Or, SL becomes effectively a different sport than RL.

How does a ref in the championship or on a Sunday afternoon BARLA game get a decision when he calls “I don’t know”?

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:13 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

The game shouldn’t have a “I don’t know” call unless all games at all levels have the ability to review the call…
Or, SL becomes effectively a different sport than RL.

How does a ref in the championship or on a Sunday afternoon BARLA game get a decision when he calls “I don’t know”?

I'm afraid the game without cameras is a different game.
So it is reffed in a different way. I suppose lots of tries are given because "in all probability a try was scored" after consulting with the assistant refs or touch judges.
There is no perfect answer.

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:53 am  

Smiffy27 wrote:

There is no perfect system but I think I'd go with giving the ref. the option of try/no try/don't know. If he says try or no try/ ... the video ref. has to have have sufficient evidence to over-rule.
Whatever we do believe me it is better than the days without video when all sorts of awful decisions were made.

TBH I prefer the days of no video ref, yes you are right about shocking decisions made I have witnessed many over the years (Billy Thompson)but it was the talking point after the game. These days there is a lot more anger over decisions made by video refs because even though we can often see it he will go with the live call made by the on field ref.

You are right that there is no perfect answer but I would have at least preferred it if the video refs decision was a standalone and not driven by the on field decision. Let the video refs give is own decision.

March 13, 1983, quarter final

Warrington 4 Hull 10 (T: Phil Ford; DG: Eccles)

Attendance: 11,218

Referee Billy Thompson disallowed three tries.

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:41 pm  

karetaker wrote:

March 13, 1983, quarter final

Warrington 4 Hull 10 (T: Phil Ford; DG: Eccles)

Attendance: 11,218

Referee Billy Thompson disallowed three tries.

That game was atrocious, crooked officiating in front of a bumper 11k crowd too.

Re: Refs referring it to video as a try or not : Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:22 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

That game was atrocious, crooked officiating in front of a bumper 11k crowd too.

I was right in front of one of the disallowed try’s and you are right crooked is the only word to describe it. But I would still rather do without video ref in its current format.