[Uncle Rico]

Re: Tom Lineham : Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:31 am  

49er wrote:

Agreed. Russell full back, Ratchford centre, Evans wing for me. More creativity at centre plus more metres from Russell from full back. Evans would be solid on the wing and capable of finishing.

The best Full Back we have had this year for me is Ratchford. Russell is poor under the high ball and teams know it so much so that we swapped in attack and defence with Johnson against Widnes away and whilst we won that game in a canter it's not the way to go shirley?

Back to Lineham, the good news as far as I'm concerned is that it's completely up to him what standard of rugby he plays. Unfortunately, the bad news is that it's completely up to him what standard of rugby he plays.

Re: Tom Lineham : Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:38 am  

Uncle Rico wrote:

The best Full Back we have had this year for me is Ratchford. Russell is poor under the high ball and teams know it so much so that we swapped in attack and defence with Johnson against Widnes away and whilst we won that game in a canter it's not the way to go shirley?

Back to Lineham, the good news as far as I'm concerned is that it's completely up to him what standard of rugby he plays. Unfortunately, the bad news is that it's completely up to him what standard of rugby he plays.

Ratchford has really improved his positioning at full back over the last couple of months. That may well be Gidley's influence. I have always liked the option of having 3 pivots from the days of Hodgson and would prefer to leave Ratchford where he is. After Gidley, he is our best full back without a doubt.

Russell is a poor decision maker but does create problems for the opposition with his ability to bring the ball strongly out of defence. On balance, unless Lineham is showing something exceptional in training I would leave our wingers as they are.

Re: Tom Lineham : Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:38 am  

Top Trumps
Russell vs Lineham

Russell wins....
Great attitude
Willing to look for ball at acting hb
Great return of ball, yards per carry
Small build makes defence against him difficult.
Can turn devasively in attack
Can duck tackles and make breaks
Can bounce off a lone tackler

Vs

Lineham wins....
Big to collect under the kick high ball in attack
Big to collect high bomb in defence
Long striding straight running that is deceivingly fast
Strong body for winning a collision
Tall to find extra when reaching for the try line
Difficult to push or tackle into touch
Can carry defenders with him when going forward
Strength to put the ball down for a try when covered with defenders

Result.....
My head hurts. White flag!

Re: Tom Lineham : Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:19 pm  

Lol

As a.large portion of trys scored by wingers is from a kick surly lineham.edges it?? If he is performing in training get him.on the pitch!!

I prefere Russel at fb his ball return is a million times better than ratchfords which is the difference between kicking in our own half or in the opposition half!!

Ratchford is juts a square peg in round holes!! We're moving people about to accommodate him!! We did pretty well with russell at fb at start if season.just like lineham.was scoring at the start of the season was he.not 10 for 10 or somthing.like that early on in the season

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Tom Lineham : Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:26 pm  

Dezzies_right_hook wrote:

Lol

As a.large portion of trys scored by wingers is from a kick surly lineham.edges it?? If he is performing in training get him.on the pitch!!

I prefere Russel at fb his ball return is a million times better than ratchfords which is the difference between kicking in our own half or in the opposition half!!

Ratchford is juts a square peg in round holes!! We're moving people about to accommodate him!! We did pretty well with russell at fb at start if season.just like lineham.was scoring at the start of the season was he.not 10 for 10 or somthing.like that early on in the season

No, see, this is what people were doing last year, when russell was out and the anti ratch bandwagon started.

You remember the good points on russell, but not the bad points, these great kick returns are nullified against a team that puts high balls to him, or high balls behind him forcing a turn.

i'd say we've looked better with ratch at one, and he's not really had a stinker yet.


Personally, i'd say square peg in a round hole is way off with the current situation.

Re: Tom Lineham : Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:27 pm  

I don't know which Warrington you are watching Dessie mate, but Ratchford is one of the best pivot backs in the game.
While Russell has a better kick return, that doesn't make him a FB.

Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:18 am  

Lineham started off the season fairly well imo. Nothing to get too excited about but solid. His performances and confidence went downhill after the loss at the KC and the decline has been gradual. More worryingly his attitude has gone with it. It's up to him from here, he either knuckles down and proves his worth to TS or if not, it could be a short stay.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:15 pm  

matt king's cat wrote:

Lineham started off the season fairly well imo. Nothing to get too excited about but solid. His performances and confidence went downhill after the loss at the KC and the decline has been gradual. More worryingly his attitude has gone with it. It's up to him from here, he either knuckles down and proves his worth to TS or if not, it could be a short stay.

i wasn't overly pleased with his performances from the start of the year, try scoring aside i was disapointed with his output.

[Winslade's Offload]

Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:55 pm  

He has not exactly set the world on fire has he. And we don't exactly have two centres that make a lot of passes to their wing man. Hence the one thing that Lineham does really well - score decent tries when given a bit of space, is also 'off the menu'. So that begs the question as to why we bought him in the first place. If we paired him up with an earlier version Chris Bridge you could see the logic, but at the moment all you see are his defects.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Tom Lineham : Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:18 pm  

Winslade's Offload wrote:

He has not exactly set the world on fire has he. And we don't exactly have two centres that make a lot of passes to their wing man. Hence the one thing that Lineham does really well - score decent tries when given a bit of space, is also 'off the menu'. So that begs the question as to why we bought him in the first place. If we paired him up with an earlier version Chris Bridge you could see the logic, but at the moment all you see are his defects.

Even if he was outside, briers, westwood, and gleeson, you'd still see his half arsed kick returns, he leisurely chases to kicks, his not very good positioning also for kicks(being smart and good anticipation can make up for lack of speed) and all round, well, malaise really.

He'd scored 20+ tries but probably cost us that, and probably several drop outs to boot.

All that being said, i do want him to be a success, he'd score a lot more brownie points with me if he pulled his socks up, i mean ACTUALLY, pulled his socks up on a match day.