Re: Fitzpatrick : Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:34 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

Is it any coincidence that it all falls after the level headed leadership of Andy Gatcliffe?

Before Gatcliffe took over we were surrounded by drama, stories of being on the verge of going bust, players not being paid. Then Gatcliffe took over and gave us a decade or so where there was the sense of the club moving forwards, getting a new stadium, improving the squad year by year, winning trophies. We went from being a club fading away in mediocrity to one of the big players.

After Gatcliffe left, for a while it felt like we were treading water but we have slowly descended back into being a club surrounded by drama and chaos.

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:31 pm  

It’s got to be said that we are the best at all this sort of stuff; the BEST.
No competition
And it’s all down to Fitzy, awesome.
Legend

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:11 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Before Gatcliffe took over we were surrounded by drama, stories of being on the verge of going bust, players not being paid. Then Gatcliffe took over and gave us a decade or so where there was the sense of the club moving forwards, getting a new stadium, improving the squad year by year, winning trophies. We went from being a club fading away in mediocrity to one of the big players.

After Gatcliffe left, for a while it felt like we were treading water but we have slowly descended back into being a club surrounded by drama and chaos.

Gatcliffe was brilliant. A proper supporter who actually cared about the club. Karl won’t be bothered one but about last nights debacle. He’ll be planning Wolfie’s next stunt as we speak.

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:13 pm  

But, you can’t argue that we’re ahead of the curve in a few areas. We led with PDRL, and linked with Adam Hills and have reaped the reward of that. Social media, given our footprint compared to Leeds for example, we’re up there with the best. The stadium is busy, corporately.

We can’t just put that in the long grass. It’s a business, the footprint is where the money comes from. He’s just not going to have oversight or ultimately the respect of elite sportspeople, owing to his lack of CV.

If you get called to the CEO because you have stepped out of line, you don’t imagine sat in-front of a fella wearing a vest, one of Prue Leith’s ear rings and chewing gum. You need a healthy fear of them, to be scared if them as to how ruthless they are, how much they demand the absolute best of them and demand the absolute best for the brand of the business from top to bottom.

I don’t get that from Karl.

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:41 pm  

Yes KF has improved lots of things on the off field side. Although there have been a few too many gimmicks and cringey things for my liking, the club does have a professional social media presence and seems to be doing well on the corporate side, all that 'match day experience' stuff. There is clearly a role for that and rugby league in general doesn't do it well. So KF has his strengths. I just don't think CEO is the right role, just like centre wasn't the right role for Ben Westwood and halfback wasn't the right role for Michael Monaghan or Chris Bridge.

I often think there must be a role at the RFL that would be perfect for someone like KF to stop the game dying on its booty, he has lots of energy and ideas about how to promote the game.

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:47 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Yes KF has improved lots of things on the off field side. Although there have been a few too many gimmicks and cringey things for my liking, the club does have a professional social media presence and seems to be doing well on the corporate side, all that 'match day experience' stuff. There is clearly a role for that and rugby league in general doesn't do it well. So KF has his strengths. I just don't think CEO is the right role, just like centre wasn't the right role for Ben Westwood and halfback wasn't the right role for Michael Monaghan or Chris Bridge.

I often think there must be a role at the RFL that would be perfect for someone like KF to stop the game dying on its booty, he has lots of energy and ideas about how to promote the game.

Maybe. How have our average attendances performed in his time?

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:53 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Yes KF has improved lots of things on the off field side. Although there have been a few too many gimmicks and cringey things for my liking, the club does have a professional social media presence and seems to be doing well on the corporate side, all that 'match day experience' stuff. There is clearly a role for that and rugby league in general doesn't do it well. So KF has his strengths. I just don't think CEO is the right role, just like centre wasn't the right role for Ben Westwood and halfback wasn't the right role for Michael Monaghan or Chris Bridge.

I often think there must be a role at the RFL that would be perfect for someone like KF to stop the game dying on its booty, he has lots of energy and ideas about how to promote the game.

Ok take my hat off to him for all that but stand to be corrected here but I don’t see that much of all that from Saints, Wigan and Leeds. Maybe they do stuff but they don’t have to do it as much because their teams are in all the finals year after year hence much bigger fan base. Said it a million times sport is a results driven business, I myself have seen many a fan disappear when results are poor. This season based on 1st 11 games we were 2700 up on avg of last years attendance. What’s the next 11 going to be if we continue on current curve.

Re: Fitzpatrick : Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:28 am  

karetaker wrote:

Ok take my hat off to him for all that but stand to be corrected here but I don’t see that much of all that from Saints, Wigan and Leeds. Maybe they do stuff but they don’t have to do it as much because their teams are in all the finals year after year hence much bigger fan base. Said it a million times sport is a results driven business, I myself have seen many a fan disappear when results are poor. This season based on 1st 11 games we were 2700 up on avg of last years attendance. What’s the next 11 going to be if we continue on current curve.

Correct. This idea that he wants to make us an American sports team and that it’s all about the ‘day out’ rather than the match is an absolute fantasy. It’s Super League. We’re never going to be an American Sports club or anywhere close. There isn’t enough money in the game and there certainly isn’t enough people who watch the sport. I’ve said it time and time again, playing well, winning games and winning trophies will get people through the door. The CEO needs to set us up with a championship winning team in place, e.g a credible coach who can win SL and recruit the right players. Do that, start winning games, winning trophies and you can tweet as much as and send Wolfie wherever you like. It wouldn’t irk fans half as much if we addressed the on field stuff first but he’s got it the wrong way around.