Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:15 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

This is getting tiresome. I could easily say the "Smith In" camp (not that it's delusional blind faith, mind) use the winning of an award that is not coveted by any of the teams that do not win it, to attempt to obfuscate what has been a steady decline since 2012, masking the fact that we have 0 GF wins from 7 attempts since the 2010 season. At least this season that white elephant will not be available.

I just don't understand how people idolising Smith are blind to how we are playing currently. We are rank.

Talking of tiresome. Have you actually ever posted anything positive? Like ever? You seem like the type who still wouldn't be happy if we were to win the Grand Final this year, you'd probably still harp on about it taking us four attempts and the fact we lost our first six games this season.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:46 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I think, Uncle Rico, if you take a big step back, what you'll see is that certain posters/people on here, will criticize the club, no matter what. Some people are just pre-disposed to it. The Leeds board for example, has had people adamant about sacking McDermott, for years and years, and were quite happy last season to go "HA HA, i told you so!"

I can guarantee you that the same people on here were criticizing the club back between during our time winning trophies, as its more important for them to be right in their own minds. The club can do no right whatsoever in their eyes.

I agree FMC and although I'm a supporter of Smith I can see, or more correctly, I will level certain disappointments that I have as 'his failures' we aren't a bunch of 'Stepford Wives'. As an example, hanging on to an aging team a few year's back giving them one last chance to win the GF and the poor recruitment that immediately followed.

There has to be a balance and that's what's often missing, the holding on to he aged team was a gamble that didn't pay off so is to a degree understandable. Imagine the furore if we had a massive 'Allied Carpet' clear out and got nowhere near the second successive GF attempt? The poor recruitment that followed is more disappointing perhaps he was expecting more from the youngsters and his signings, another gamble?

I'm not overjoyed with where we are at the minute, but, will reset my view later on this season, when we have a better understanding of where we be ending up

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:52 pm  

DAG wrote:

Talking of tiresome. Have you actually ever posted anything positive? Like ever? You seem like the type who still wouldn't be happy if we were to win the Grand Final this year, you'd probably still harp on about it taking us four attempts and the fact we lost our first six games this season.

Ah and there we go with the personal attack. Classy.

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:57 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I can guarantee you that the same people on here were criticizing the club back between during our time winning trophies, as its more important for them to be right in their own minds. The club can do no right whatsoever in their eyes.

Anything to back that up with like usernames and posts or is that wild speculation?

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:12 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Ah and there we go with the personal attack. Classy.

Personal attack? It was a genuine question. A legitimate question based on the fact I don't think I've ever seen you have anything positive or constructive to say even when we finished top of the league last year.

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:50 pm  

It's the same tone from Wires71 that it was 10 years ago. I'd understand his point to an extent if we'd gone three years of steady decline and had no trophies or finals to show for it. The main gripe I have is that last season was our most successful for many years, and to want the coach out after 6 games is plain stupid and disrespectful.

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:37 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

As big a fan as I am of Tony Smith, I desperately want us to win the Grand Final.

Shaun Wane has won 2 in 4 years.

2017 will be Tony's 8th full year in charge. If we fail again at the big prize this year would it be time to part ways?

Just thought I would repost original question. !!

Not many people were calling for his immediate sack this was also posted before our poor run and it's a legitimate question given our "most successful" season in many years still left many disappointed and feeling that we underachieved.

Our priority is win the Gf with the cc second and lls 3rd so it's a trophy but the 3rd teir of the 3 to win both makes us unarguably the best team that season and that's where the lls has it's value if you win both

talk of getting to a final being a positive yes if your Widnes or waykey maybe something to shout about but we were ahead and blew the cc final and should have won the gf yet did not turn up.

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:46 pm  

Dezzies_right_hook wrote:

The format has not changed I was young at the time but did we not have the premiership or regal trophy which was the top8 playoff for a trophy ??

the regal trophy was contested halfway thru the season where as the premiership was an end of season comp..back then winning the league made you champs and every game try goal and drop goal mattered..we won the premiership in 86 from 4th,played widnes at home then wigan away(paul bishop tormented wigan that day) then halifax in final

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:35 pm  

Mark wrote:

It's the same tone from Wires71 that it was 10 years ago. I'd understand his point to an extent if we'd gone three years of steady decline and had no trophies or finals to show for it. The main gripe I have is that last season was our most successful for many years, and to want the coach out after 6 games is plain stupid and disrespectful.

Although I disagree with a lot of what Wires71 says he does have a consistent argument. He's not just taken a kneejerk approach and changed his mind - before the season started he was arguing that we needed change because we'd had too many seasons of having the best / one of the best squads and not got over the line and won the Grand Final. His suggestion was to bring in a coach like Hasler, Bellamy or Bennett which in my opinion isn't realistic but it's a fair enough point of view. If we could get one of those coaches then I am sure even the most ardent pro-Smith supporter would see it as something worth considering?

Wires71 wants us to win a Grand Final like we all do and he gives his views on here on what he thinks needs to change to get that, there's no crime in doing that as it is a discussion forum.

Re: 2017 and Tony Smith : Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:43 am  

I still think we will go unbeaten through April and collect team off the month award.