Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:54 am  

No Sadd

I said I will always be against this system. Every minute matters bullshaat. 400 minutes of running the clock out.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:05 am  

BuckleyStreetWire wrote:

Some of the posts in this thread are total rubbish.

Every minute has mattered and we've been too slack, we've lacked the intensity for it every week and been too poor overall and it's now biting us on the backside. Plus every minute remaining should matter to help us become a better team ongoing. The remaining games could be huge for the likes of Wilde, the King brothers, Sandow etc. to really get them to become part of this team.

This is the best system we've had in rugby league imo. It's very exciting. The bottom 8s have a relegated team and others fight for money for placement and a trophy; the middle 8s are excellent, toss a coin and anybody could be staying/coming up or staying/going down; the top 8s now have 5 of 8 teams still fighting for something with just five games to go and then the Play-offs start which will raise the bar and intensity further.

Just because we are a bang average side overall and we're neither good enough or crap enough to be part of any proper excitement in the final weeks of our season isn't the system's fault. It's our fault for all those missed tackles and lack of line speed and dropped balls and poorly executed plays we've put in over-and-over all season.

When we've had LAnderson MKing Solomona Briers Cooper Carvell Morley Hodgson MMonaghan Waterhouse etc. all leave us and us bring in nowhere near the same quality to replace them or we've promoted young and inexperienced lads, some of which aren't actually ready for first grade rugby (they need an 'A' team as the jump from 19s to first team is too big), that is why we're in this position. Not the system.

The system is fine. We are not fine. It's our fault!

We have a sprinkling of elite players who'd get in any side, we've got a sprinkling of very poor players at this level who'd make Halifax and Sheffield better but don't make us better, we have a lot of young inexperienced players who need more years in the team to start making game changing impacts, we look like we don't have a game plan/executed plays/structures to our play and our defensive line hardly ever comes forward. We've had no kicking game all season and haven't had a leading half back (Sandow will be that next season but needs time to settle in).

This is all why we have "nothing to play for"(we do) or "five dead rubbers", not the system.

Plus even if they are just five dead rubbers. That's no different to all those sides in the Championship who've not been able to gain promotion for all these years, they've had years of dead rubbers. And all those Premier League mid table teams who won't get into Europe and won't get relegated, they have 38 dead rubbers every season. And the likes of Marussia, McLaren, Force India, Lotus, Torro Rosso, Sauba in Formula One; they have no chance of even winning a race this season (or any season in most cases), never mind the winning the F1 championship, so they have a whole season of dead rubbers.

But they don't look at it like that. They go out and put in the work for the to do as well as they possibly can whether they have a realistic chance of succeeding or not. So why should that be different or a problem for Warringotn RLFC?

Some of the posts on this thread have been rubbish, yours is spot on IMO.

Don't blame the system for these dead rubbers, blame our performance over the course of the season. Every minute matters isn't just referring to the 8's, it's the whole season. We are where we deserve to be.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:07 am  

BuckleyStreetWire wrote:

Some of the posts in this thread are total rubbish.

Every minute has mattered and we've been too slack, we've lacked the intensity for it every week and been too poor overall and it's now biting us on the backside. Plus every minute remaining should matter to help us become a better team ongoing. The remaining games could be huge for the likes of Wilde, the King brothers, Sandow etc. to really get them to become part of this team.

This is the best system we've had in rugby league imo. It's very exciting. The bottom 8s have a relegated team and others fight for money for placement and a trophy; the middle 8s are excellent, toss a coin and anybody could be staying/coming up or staying/going down; the top 8s now have 5 of 8 teams still fighting for something with just five games to go and then the Play-offs start which will raise the bar and intensity further.

Just because we are a bang average side overall and we're neither good enough or crap enough to be part of any proper excitement in the final weeks of our season isn't the system's fault. It's our fault for all those missed tackles and lack of line speed and dropped balls and poorly executed plays we've put in over-and-over all season.

When we've had LAnderson MKing Solomona Briers Cooper Carvell Morley Hodgson MMonaghan Waterhouse etc. all leave us and us bring in nowhere near the same quality to replace them or we've promoted young and inexperienced lads, some of which aren't actually ready for first grade rugby (they need an 'A' team as the jump from 19s to first team is too big), that is why we're in this position. Not the system.

The system is fine. We are not fine. It's our fault!

We have a sprinkling of elite players who'd get in any side, we've got a sprinkling of very poor players at this level who'd make Halifax and Sheffield better but don't make us better, we have a lot of young inexperienced players who need more years in the team to start making game changing impacts, we look like we don't have a game plan/executed plays/structures to our play and our defensive line hardly ever comes forward. We've had no kicking game all season and haven't had a leading half back (Sandow will be that next season but needs time to settle in).

This is all why we have "nothing to play for"(we do) or "five dead rubbers", not the system.

Plus even if they are just five dead rubbers. That's no different to all those sides in the Championship who've not been able to gain promotion for all these years, they've had years of dead rubbers. And all those Premier League mid table teams who won't get into Europe and won't get relegated, they have 38 dead rubbers every season. And the likes of Marussia, McLaren, Force India, Lotus, Torro Rosso, Sauba in Formula One; they have no chance of even winning a race this season (or any season in most cases), never mind the winning the F1 championship, so they have a whole season of dead rubbers.

But they don't look at it like that. They go out and put in the work for the to do as well as they possibly can whether they have a realistic chance of succeeding or not. So why should that be different or a problem for Warringotn RLFC?

I think, what this post, coupled with the reaction from last night and prior to wakey away, is that there's two types of fans, there are Warrington fans, and there are fans of rugby league.

And you can tell by the posts which are which.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:08 am  

BuckleyStreetWire has hit the nail right on there head there... excellent post.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:12 am  

....but then every minute doesn't matter, regardless of how poor we were until last night, we have 400 minutes where is doesn't matter.
It's either every or it's not every. Now which is it? You can't have it both ways.

It's either black or white, on or off, in or out.... Every or Some!

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:16 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

I don't want to see us batter a team in 8th and end all their chances, leaving them with 6 dead rubbers, that is of no benifit to any spectator or any team.

Oh dear. Perhaps you should learn to spell too. Not your finest day is it, Mr Duck? Best stick to blabbing second-hand news and expecting a medal for it.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:25 am  

I don't worry about me spellin too much.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:38 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

....but then every minute doesn't matter, regardless of how poor we were until last night, we have 400 minutes where is doesn't matter.
It's either every or it's not every. Now which is it? You can't have it both ways.

It's either black or white, on or off, in or out.... Every or Some!

Every minute matters is a marketing catchphrase used to try to promote the concept, you do realise that? It's not to be taken literally. You come across like Batista's character in Guardians of the Galaxy.

What would you prefer?

Old top 8 system - Means top 4 teams particularly can coast for long spells of the season
Reset points at split - Means the top 6 can switch off in June

This system reduces the amount of meaningless games to the minimum. I don't see how you improve it?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:03 am  

I think rubber duckie wants a grand final where we've go all 8 teams playing at the same time. Only then will he get his wish of every minute actually mattering.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:10 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I think rubber duckie wants a grand final where we've go all 8 teams playing at the same time. Only then will he get his wish of every minute actually mattering.

Well you've though wrong once again then.
My wants are clearly stated on other posts.