Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:53 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

There's little difference between kicking dead and setting up a scrum. Tbh I feel taking 7 with a full defensive line against lightening backs is preferable to open width from a scrum as the scrum is in essence still a zero tackle too and in effect still 7.

Are you still drunk?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:55 pm  

and normal service is resumed

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:58 pm  

I think the first tackle from a scrum the ref shouts "tackle one" the first tackle after a 20m restart the ref shouts "zero" so you gain 10m or so from where the ball is played if it was a scrum and an extra tackle. You can also take 25seconds to form a scrum whereas the tap restart can be taken as quick as saints can get on side.
So there is a bit of a difference.
That said I thought Patton played well in executing that game plan. The bulk of his kicks split the full back and wingers and bounced 2/3 times before they were picked up. That was really valuable for the chasers.

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:06 pm  

A kick into touch which was simple from where he kicked it would have wasted valuable seconds would have Saints pinned 10 metres from there own goal line 10 metres in from touch! As I said if you have a look you can see what Ben Currie thinks about Saints lining up on their own 20 with 7 tackles in the bag when he's pretty much out on his feet!!

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:23 pm  

Deus Dat Incrementum wrote:

I think the first tackle from a scrum the ref shouts "tackle one" the first tackle after a 20m restart the ref shouts "zero" so you gain 10m or so from where the ball is played if it was a scrum and an extra tackle. You can also take 25seconds to form a scrum whereas the tap restart can be taken as quick as saints can get on side.
So there is a bit of a difference.
That said I thought Patton played well in executing that game plan. The bulk of his kicks split the full back and wingers and bounced 2/3 times before they were picked up. That was really valuable for the chasers.

Yes I agree. The point being that holding the scrum itself is like playing the ball through your legs at zero...it's away of restarting the game...plus it's also a penalty because the team against the head don't have a defence structure shape...just outside backs vs outside backs with space.
If you kick the ball dead..a favourite of Leeds for seasons until they tried to restrict the play by adding 10 yards to the restart....you will always have a full defensive line...plus if you lie out in the field of play while you get cramp attended too...you get more than a minute stop clock.

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:28 pm  

Imo...the last team you ever want to give head and feed in a scrum with a minute and seconds on the clock...is Saints. I was happy with the touch in goal call.

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:33 pm  

Do you think that Patton was aiming to kick it out of play behind the dead ball line?...and that Currie was congratulating him on doing so?

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:17 pm  

I don't often comment on this forum although I do read it regularly. I'm sick and tired of the pile on bullying on this Forum, except one or two individuals, of Dec Patton, even after a great Wembley performance by the entire team, including Patton. Indeed he was the sole halfback on Saturday for the Wire. Since Blake Austin has been injured he has been given and taken more responsibility and to my mind very effectively. Sure there are other faster, jinking halfbacks in the competition but he doesn't deserve 45 pages of armchair cynics biting like sharks tasting blood.
Oh, and by the way I am not related to Dec Patton, just someone who has supported the Wire for over 60 years, so I have seen a lot of halfbacks playing for us (and others), he should be afforded the respect like any other Warrington player.

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:26 pm  

Wolf Hall wrote:

I don't often comment on this forum although I do read it regularly. I'm sick and tired of the pile on bullying on this Forum, except one or two individuals, of Dec Patton, even after a great Wembley performance by the entire team, including Patton. Indeed he was the sole halfback on Saturday for the Wire. Since Blake Austin has been injured he has been given and taken more responsibility and to my mind very effectively. Sure there are other faster, jinking halfbacks in the competition but he doesn't deserve 45 pages of armchair cynics biting like sharks tasting blood.
Oh, and by the way I am not related to Dec Patton, just someone who has supported the Wire for over 60 years, so I have seen a lot of halfbacks playing for us (and others), he should be afforded the respect like any other Warrington player.

Well said

It would be too much to ask for those who said we won't win anything with him in the half's to come on hold their hands up and admit they are wrong not only did we win the cc final with him as our half he was our only half back!!!

Re: Dec Patton : Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:30 pm  

Widnes Al wrote:

There was a Ratchford kick that went out behind the line early on. Pattons was a couple of minutes before half time and it hit the corner flag so a 20m restart with 7 tackles just when you needed to get in the sheds! That was inexcusable! There was no need to get it so deep just get it in touch for a breather! If you watch closely Currie gives him a right rollocking!!

That followed by the kick out of the full which led to our try was poor, but then followed it two very good in the second half which eased a lot of pressure on our line. He defended well & stuck to Pricey’s game plan which is all you can ask, yes it’s frustrating as he’s a local lad you want him to improve and do well. But unfortunately, he simply doesn’t have enough talent in comparison to an Austin/Widdop/Hastings.