Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:27 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Every minute matters is a marketing catchphrase used to try to promote the concept, you do realise that? It's not to be taken literally. You come across like Batista's character in Guardians of the Galaxy.

What would you prefer?

Old top 8 system - Means top 4 teams particularly can coast for long spells of the season
Reset points at split - Means the top 6 can switch off in June

This system reduces the amount of meaningless games to the minimum. I don't see how you improve it?

I offered this up but got shouted down

Reset all points, but still reward top 4 finish, but still gives others a chance

1st - 4pts
2nd - 3 pts
3rd - 2 pts
4th - 1pt
5th - 8th - 0pts

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:31 am  

The Speculator wrote:

Oh dear. Perhaps you should learn to spell too. Not your finest day is it, Mr Duck? Best stick to blabbing second-hand news and expecting a medal for it.

(I too agree with everything in BSW's Post) ..but let's not get personal. RD has revealed some interesting early news on quite a few so signings. He has a different opinion on this, but that is surely the purpose of the forum. There are plenty of times when my opinion has changed due to posts on here.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:32 am  

Tiz Lad wrote:

I offered this up but got shouted down

Reset all points, but still reward top 4 finish, but still gives others a chance

1st - 4pts
2nd - 3 pts
3rd - 2 pts
4th - 1pt
5th - 8th - 0pts

It seems better than what is in place for me.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:37 am  

Gazwire wrote:

(I too agree with everything in BSW's Post) ..but let's not get personal. RD has revealed some interesting early news on quite a few so signings. He has a different opinion on this, but that is surely the purpose of the forum. There are plenty of times when my opinion has changed due to posts on here.

Thanks GW.
I tend not to respond to posts once their banter turns personal.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:07 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

It seems better than what is in place for me.

Rubbish
What about next year if you're 10 points in front of 3rd at the split and the rfl use that system and you lose the first 2 games and you're in 3rd/4th after 2 games off super 8's.
You'd be whinging how the system didn't reward you over the whole season etc and more importantly 18/19 rounds in you'd switch off for the last 4/5 games if you were 10 points clear etc as it wouldn't be worth playing your guts out for the remainder of first part of season so they would be dead rubbers.
Listen, as others have said, if you look at the headline/advertising and then feel peeved off at what you get then I suggest you stop watching adverts and reading newspapers.
For the first time in nearly 10 years I've genuinely wanted us to win every game and felt rotten when we haven't,that's a big step forward for the competition.

Very few games will mean nothing to both teams as 1 of them will have something to play for.

Buckley street wire summed it up Very well.

Off to Leeds shortly desperate for 2 points, win and go joint top, lose and could be in 3rd.
Lose next week at your place and cas/hudds breathing down our necks.
Desperate for a top 2 finish for a home tie in semis, still worried about dropping out the 4 and not getting into semis.
It Matters.

The system isn't the issue, it's the team's that haven't played well enough to still be involved (and don't forget your not 100% out of it although realistically its a very long shot) that need to look at themselves.

If I'd have come on here 3/4 months ago and said wire would be 6 points behind cas & hudds at this point you'd have laughed me off the board.
I didn't expect it you to be so far off the pace at this stage, but to be honest it's where you deserve to be as do all clubs pretty much in relation to their league placings.
I think that's about all we can hope for out of a system?
If your not good enough then your not good enough?

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:15 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

No Sadd

I said I will always be against this system. Every minute matters bullshaat. 400 minutes of running the clock out.

Cas have got Catalan, Huddersfield, Leeds, Saints and Wigan left to play. If they only win two of those (which I'd argue isn't that unlikely) then you would overtake them if you win your last five games, so I hardly see how they are dead rubbers, more like every game is now a 'must-win' game for you. That is totally in keeping with the 'every minute matters' slogan

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:19 pm  

Tiz Lad wrote:

I offered this up but got shouted down

Reset all points, but still reward top 4 finish, but still gives others a chance

1st - 4pts
2nd - 3 pts
3rd - 2 pts
4th - 1pt
5th - 8th - 0pts

It's better than the old Top 8 system, but I'm not sure it should be the system giving 5th-8th a chance, it should be themselves? We need to reward performance over the longest period, rather than just over the final 7 games. Overcomplicating it like that could also see occurances where 5th are level on points with 3rd for example and are pushed back by it.

I think next season will see an improvement over this season, once teams see who misses the cut. Teams like Warrington/Cas/Huddersfield/Saints (2 of whom won't be in the semis) won't like to miss out and it'll be even more intense next season.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:55 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Cas have got Catalan, Huddersfield, Leeds, Saints and Wigan left to play. If they only win two of those (which I'd argue isn't that unlikely) then you would overtake them if you win your last five games, so I hardly see how they are dead rubbers, more like every game is now a 'must-win' game for you. That is totally in keeping with the 'every minute matters' slogan

You explained it perfectly enough to cement my view. The problem you seemed to have over looked is the result of Hudds v Cas. However they finish, it would be of no slight benefit unless both of them could lose! The mathematical view is we would want Cas to win that game and ideally lose all the others, and Hudds to lose every game and with a big score too, plus us to win every game.

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:05 pm  

I think having a group of 8 Sadd is so the season has a respectable number of games. But by having this present system success in the previous games of the season is rewarded. Leeds have certainly led from the front all season.

Is the league leaders shield decided at the end of these 7 games by the way ?

Re: 5 Dead Rubbers : Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:34 pm  

Tiz Lad wrote:

I offered this up but got shouted down

Reset all points, but still reward top 4 finish, but still gives others a chance

1st - 4pts
2nd - 3 pts
3rd - 2 pts
4th - 1pt
5th - 8th - 0pts

I think you may have kept this system in your pocket had we been 6 points clear at the top !!!
For me every minute still matters in the last 5 games as I have paid good money to watch and therefore I expect the team to turn out and play as if there future depends on it and for some it will.