Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:01 pm  

I apologise to DallasMead I always thought Mike Cooper was 33 years old.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:38 pm  

He is 33.
34 in September.

Not that it makes any difference.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:17 am  

karetaker wrote: Maybe so but he can lead a team around, only thing leading our team around the pitch is whizzy rascal. But he is playing for us now so why isn't he leading our team around the pitch now? Still very torn on this. Interview with Powell on Cooper leaving here. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/daryl-powell-mike-cooper-wigan-24174087?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

karetaker wrote: Maybe so but he can lead a team around, only thing leading our team around the pitch is whizzy rascal. But he is playing for us now so why isn't he leading our team around the pitch now? Still very torn on this. Interview with Powell on Cooper leaving here. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/daryl-powell-mike-cooper-wigan-24174087?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:31 am  

Going in a different direction = Backwards

And while Cooper may be getting on, Kasiano and Dudson are both 31, 32 when them arrive. So it’s not about longevity.

Re: external business commitments, that would not (in a well run organisation) be signed off by a coach. So the change from Price to Powell should not have an impact on that unless the impact is that Powell’s nose is out of joint.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:45 am  

Barbed Wire wrote:

Going in a different direction = Backwards

And while Cooper may be getting on, Kasiano and Dudson are both 31, 32 when them arrive. So it’s not about longevity.

Re: external business commitments, that would not (in a well run organisation) be signed off by a coach. So the change from Price to Powell should not have an impact on that unless the impact is that Powell’s nose is out of joint.

Powell was brought into make changes because our culture is not aligned to winning the GF. He is attempting to make those changes. If we stick with the same players and same ways we will get the same predictable result -> well paid nearly men who can get themselves up for a few games in a cup run every now and again when they choose.

This beatification of Cooper is crazy. He's played for Wire for 12 years under 3 coaches and we are as far away from the GF win as we ever were, the same went for Hill. Makes it sound like we are losing a talismanic leader.

We desperately need change. Whether it will work is another matter, but surely we have to give Powell the chance - he inherited a basket case where, it appears, the players had too much influence and played/trained when it suited them/when they could remember their passport.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:31 am  

Wires71 wrote:

Powell was brought into make changes because our culture is not aligned to winning the GF. He is attempting to make those changes. If we stick with the same players and same ways we will get the same predictable result -> well paid nearly men who can get themselves up for a few games in a cup run every now and again when they choose.

This beatification of Cooper is crazy. He's played for Wire for 12 years under 3 coaches and we are as far away from the GF win as we ever were, the same went for Hill. Makes it sound like we are losing a talismanic leader.

We desperately need change. Whether it will work is another matter, but surely we have to give Powell the chance - he inherited a basket case where, it appears, the players had too much influence and played/trained when it suited them/when they could remember their passport.

It’s widely accepted by those with eyes in their heads that we had a 2 man pack for years, Cooper and Hill. It fell to bits when they went off. So… we get rid of them. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not Morley and Peacock, but there are very few tried and tested good props around. So instead of keeping the ones we have, that work, we ship them out and bring in journeymen and imports, of a similar age.

If we had signed some proper replacement to cover the 50+ minutes of effective work that both Hill and Cooper delivered consistently, I wouldn’t be concerned, but we have got Kasiano (great for 25-40 minutes), Dudson (no comment required), Philbin (effective for 25-40 minutes), Mikaele (untried and unproven, could be Sita reincarnated) Bullocks (bang average) and potentially Mulhearn, who somehow is the best of the pack.

We need change, to get a group of men who are capable of getting to finals, to WIN them. That was the job. If the players have too much influence on when they train, as set out above, that would (should) have been signed off at executive level. There is NO CHANGE at executive level, so those bad decisions have not been addressed. If the CEO has agreed with Cooper re his side business, then the CEO should honour that. If decisions of the CEO are failing the company, then the CEO should pay the price for those poor decisions.

To go from nearly men, to nearly bottom, is not acceptable. There’s cracking a few eggs for the omelette and there’s just tipping the carton upside down

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:04 am  

If we win a GF in 3 years, Powell will be justified. If we don't, I won't be thinking "bet Cooper would've won it for us" I'll probably just think he gets added to the list of manager who aint done it. But it's not for want of trying change.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:20 am  

Cooper is basically the last remnant of a good pack which consisted of ,over time, Morley, Carvell , Wood , the Anderson's , Rauhihi ,Westwood ,Waterhouse &, the last to go , Hill. We had journeymen backs ,hookers who wanted to be halfbacks & vice versa & the ex GB coach who delivered for Leeds but couldn't do it for us. We still couldn't rise to the occasion & have dwindled steadily over ten years ,becoming a graveyard for coaches & supporters gate receipts alike. Perhaps our ingrained club culture is what needs the kick up the booty. We are going backwards at a rate of knots.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:47 pm  

Cooper is right at the very end of a great career with Warrington, but he’ll be 34 before he makes a tackle for Wigan so he’s nearly done. Wish him well and move on guys. Strong rumour we’ve also signed Vaughn and McGuire from the NRL so the clear out continues apace. All good….

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:41 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

It’s widely accepted by those with eyes in their heads that we had a 2 man pack for years, Cooper and Hill. It fell to bits when they went off. So… we get rid of them. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not Morley and Peacock, but there are very few tried and tested good props around. So instead of keeping the ones we have, that work, we ship them out and bring in journeymen and imports, of a similar age.

If we had signed some proper replacement to cover the 50+ minutes of effective work that both Hill and Cooper delivered consistently, I wouldn’t be concerned, but we have got Kasiano (great for 25-40 minutes), Dudson (no comment required), Philbin (effective for 25-40 minutes), Mikaele (untried and unproven, could be Sita reincarnated) Bullocks (bang average) and potentially Mulhearn, who somehow is the best of the pack.

Hill and Cooper in the pack repeatedly failed to win the GF.
Our recruitment for 2023 is not done yet. Let's see.