Re: Smith Out : Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:30 pm  

I disagree. If we win vs wigan he has earned the right to have a shot at the next sl game

Re: Smith Out : Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:33 pm  

We are constantly told it just confidence. A win vs Wigan will mean confidence is restored and it cannot possibly be used the week following....
So TS and Agar must get that chance....then there will be no excuses....it's the best scenario for anyone in the TS out camp.
It is finate.

Re: Smith Out : Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:03 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

We are constantly told it just confidence. A win vs Wigan will mean confidence is restored and it cannot possibly be used the week following....
So TS and Agar must get that chance....then there will be no excuses....it's the best scenario for anyone in the TS out camp.
It is finate.

But has he not had sufficient shots at the next game already? How long does this, or should it, go on for?

Re: Smith Out : Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:28 pm  

Its clear that recent performances show that the players have downed tools. If there is a difference on Saturday it will only be there because the players want a shot at Wembley. Win or lose the bell should toll for TS and RA on Sunday.

Re: Smith Out : Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:28 pm  

wh y is he still hear there is some thing not right we need the saints board hear no messing about gone

Re: Smith Out : Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:36 pm  

Orrell Lad wrote:

We'll swap anyone for one of your goalkickers please

Welcome to them - sadly we have very little need/use for them at present.

Re: Smith Out : Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:26 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

I disagree. If we win vs wigan he has earned the right to have a shot at the next sl game

So theoretically if we win that game and end up with a run or win-loss-win-loss etc and still end up in the MPG that will be acceptable? The long run of bad form and clear decline is there for all to see. Add this to 2014, 2015 and it doesn't really look good.

If we win the MPG do we give the coach a chance to show an improvement next year and accept a finish than 12th as an improvement?

We've had four years of mediocrity with one year of limited success and we've all been kidding ourselves that this is fine based on the fact we won 3 cups earlier in the coach's tenure. Our ambition doesn't match our stature as the wealthiest club and it's time we realised that - would Wigan, Saints or Leeds accepted such a long run of no success? We don't even entertain when not winning trophies...

Re: Smith Out : Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:33 am  

easyWire wrote:

So theoretically if we win that game and end up with a run or win-loss-win-loss etc and still end up in the MPG that will be acceptable? The long run of bad form and clear decline is there for all to see. Add this to 2014, 2015 and it doesn't really look good.

If we win the MPG do we give the coach a chance to show an improvement next year and accept a finish than 12th as an improvement?

We've had four years of mediocrity with one year of limited success and we've all been kidding ourselves that this is fine based on the fact we won 3 cups earlier in the coach's tenure. Our ambition doesn't match our stature as the wealthiest club and it's time we realised that - would Wigan, Saints or Leeds accepted such a long run of no success? We don't even entertain when not winning trophies...

That wasn't what I said. It was one sentence. He has the right for the next game, not W L W L W L..Agar should go at the next defeat in 2017.

Re: Smith Out : Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:37 am  

As one of the wealthy elite clubs we should have Board room structure that is identifying talent for the field and the coaching areas way in advance of what the reality shows. There is far too much sentimentality going on at this club for it ever to be successful at the highest level on a regular basis.

We have had players in our squads over the years who should have been released, but instead we are fed the "lets give him one more year" scenario time and time again.

To be successful in anything you have to be ruthless in your decision making.

Re: Smith Out : Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:56 am  

No matter how the current situation is batted from pillar to post,it is all down to poor management either at team level or boardroom level, with the board having to be ultimately responsible with neglecting what has been going on in front of their eyes on the pitch.

Tony Smith was brought in as a messiah &, for a few seasons, he brought something different to the team but he has taken his eye of the ball for the last few seasons & the club is now looking over a cliff. Recent team building has been dire & the few players that were doing a job for us up to a few years ago have moved on ,sometimes acrimoniously, & not been replaced with similar quality.

As much as anyone, the directors need to take a long hard look in the mirror & question their purpose at the club ,apart from a box & free tickets. The way the club is being run at present is alarming considering the directors should be business savvy.