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Re: Daryl Powell : Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:54 pm  
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That's just not true at all. Fages has been marmite to the Saints fans ever since he joined. A lot like his tenacity and his defending but others expect more from a half back. Lewis Dodd clearly has a better kicking game, passing game and running game than Fages. Whether that makes him a world class player in the end remains to be seen, but giving youngsters with potential their chance is the right thing to do. It may work, it may not. Again Saints fans are split on that, but most are in favour of trying it. With Welsby and Dodd being given starting shirts next season most sensible Saints fans would expect us to drop away a bit, but hope we'll still be in contention.

As for the game itself the referees performance was shambolic, as was Saints. We didn't do enough to win the game but Thaler dictated a lot of the play for both sides with big swings caused by his ego. Cas' try at the end of the first half came off the back of them doing nothing and getting two penalties and three set restarts, most of which weren't the correct decisions. He reversed the succession of dodgy and pedantic decisions at random throughout the game and neither side really started playing, the game never got into a proper rhythm. It was a bizarre game, but I think an awful lot of the games Thaler and Hicks do are like that. When you sit there discussing what the three set restarts you've just got were for you've got an idea they're not great calls and it was happening all night. He gave about 200 penalties and still managed to miss the only two blatant ball steals there were in the game by Lomax and Bentley and two of the three worst tackles of the night by Watts and McShane. Contrast that with last nights game between Hull KR and Wigan. A proper referee and the game looked clean and quick and there was some brilliant rugby played.

Cas were rightly giddy after winning, but if Coote dummies and strolls over the line and we win, Powell would have turned purple again and vented at the ref like Woolf presumably did.


Has the referee ever had a good game, when St Helens have lost?.......
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:07 pm  
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Has the referee ever had a good game, when St Helens have lost?.......


No, the referee either cheated himself or allowed the opposition to cheat all game.
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:19 pm  
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That's just not true at all. Fages has been marmite to the Saints fans ever since he joined. A lot like his tenacity and his defending but others expect more from a half back. Lewis Dodd clearly has a better kicking game, passing game and running game than Fages. Whether that makes him a world class player in the end remains to be seen, but giving youngsters with potential their chance is the right thing to do. It may work, it may not. Again Saints fans are split on that, but most are in favour of trying it. With Welsby and Dodd being given starting shirts next season most sensible Saints fans would expect us to drop away a bit, but hope we'll still be in contention.

As for the game itself the referees performance was shambolic, as was Saints. We didn't do enough to win the game but Thaler dictated a lot of the play for both sides with big swings caused by his ego. Cas' try at the end of the first half came off the back of them doing nothing and getting two penalties and three set restarts, most of which weren't the correct decisions. He reversed the succession of dodgy and pedantic decisions at random throughout the game and neither side really started playing, the game never got into a proper rhythm. It was a bizarre game, but I think an awful lot of the games Thaler and Hicks do are like that. When you sit there discussing what the three set restarts you've just got were for you've got an idea they're not great calls and it was happening all night. He gave about 200 penalties and still managed to miss the only two blatant ball steals there were in the game by Lomax and Bentley and two of the three worst tackles of the night by Watts and McShane. Contrast that with last nights game between Hull KR and Wigan. A proper referee and the game looked clean and quick and there was some brilliant rugby played.

Cas were rightly giddy after winning, but if Coote dummies and strolls over the line and we win, Powell would have turned purple again and vented at the ref like Woolf presumably did.


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Re: Daryl Powell : Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:01 pm  
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Not really. Dodd and Welsby are what 19 and 20? Coote and Fages are 31 and 27 (ish). Dodd has played all of about 3 games in his position, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a bit of a learning curve next season. Fages has been a superb signing for us, but isn't a traditional all-round halfback. Most young halfbacks in SL will have a better kicking and passing game than him, that isn't where his strengths lie. Welsby could also end up a better player than Coote. Coote however has 13 or so years of experience of playing with players like Jonathon Thurston and playing in grand finals in the NRL and SL. Welsby has also played about four games at fullback. You'd expect both Welsby and Dodd to make mistakes next year as they gain the experience.
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:09 am  
I know we are veering a bit off topic here and not that I care that much but I was a bit surprised when I heard that Fages was leaving Saints, always thought he looked half decent. Wondered if it was the pull of Watson his previous coach but then again to leave a GF winning team..... or was he nudged out.
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:20 am  
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Not really. Dodd and Welsby are what 19 and 20? Coote and Fages are 31 and 27 (ish). Dodd has played all of about 3 games in his position, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a bit of a learning curve next season. Fages has been a superb signing for us, but isn't a traditional all-round halfback. Most young halfbacks in SL will have a better kicking and passing game than him, that isn't where his strengths lie. Welsby could also end up a better player than Coote. Coote however has 13 or so years of experience of playing with players like Jonathon Thurston and playing in grand finals in the NRL and SL. Welsby has also played about four games at fullback. You'd expect both Welsby and Dodd to make mistakes next year as they gain the experience.


But you're also freeing up cap space to strengthen the team elsewhere! I don't expect saints first team to be significantly weaker next season.

I think coote will be a miss, Hull KR have got a great signing there. Fages will be less of a miss but he does have strengths and I think he's been good for saints generally. He's like myler was for us I think, by that I mean he doesn't have the all round half back game (horrible kicking game) but was effective and overall we looked better with him on the field. Welsby is a good player he will be reliable, perhaps lacks a little pace but his effort levels can't be questioned. As wellens showed you don't have to be the fastest to be an excellent fullback. Dodd could be the next shaun Long or the next Danny Richardson, only time will tell.

In other news Thaler does the same to every team, not just saints, he's a terrible referee and he's not alone in that club regarding current superleague referees. Your players didn't play well and that's why you lost. You lot are like the high school bully, you want to dominate and dictate the game but don't like it when someone stands up to you, like we did and Cas did, you don't have an automatic right to control the ruck and game speed, there are other good teams and good coaches out there.
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:54 am  
There is a lot of blame aimed at Woolf by Saints fans based on the team he inherited from Holbrook but I’m not sure it is fair. Having watched their televised games I think he is dealing with a team that has become very limited and got them playing to their strengths.
If you look at the influential players from Holbrook time
Coote, still solid but not as effective in attack, age catching up?
Lomax, I’ve never been a massive fan but he looks extremely blunt now. Injuries catching up?
Roby can still tackle but absolutely no threat with ball in hand.
Walmesley still a decent prop BUT Luke T leaving means defences can concentrate on Walmesley
Personally I would be giving Woolf huge credit for getting the results that he does.
However, Cas beat them with a significantly under strength team which included at scrum half a player most of Saints fans consider a clown. They beat an under strength Catalans and thought that shows where they are.
Their constant blaming of referees for their defeats shows a lack of insight.
They also believe all rugby league is played in as boring a manner as their team does, which is far from the truth!
I would much rather watch any team in SL than Saints for entertainment.
As for winning…massively over rated!
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:19 am  
There is also the fact that their team/squad is nowhere near as good as they think it is. They're a good side obviously but overrated by themselves and Sky. Woolf has done well to make their defence very good which keeps them in every tough game. He's had to as he knows their attacking threat is not too clever.
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:20 am  
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Not really. Dodd and Welsby are what 19 and 20? Coote and Fages are 31 and 27 (ish). Dodd has played all of about 3 games in his position, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a bit of a learning curve next season. Fages has been a superb signing for us, but isn't a traditional all-round halfback. Most young halfbacks in SL will have a better kicking and passing game than him, that isn't where his strengths lie. Welsby could also end up a better player than Coote. Coote however has 13 or so years of experience of playing with players like Jonathon Thurston and playing in grand finals in the NRL and SL. Welsby has also played about four games at fullback. You'd expect both Welsby and Dodd to make mistakes next year as they gain the experience.


Yes it is. How can Dodd have a better kicking passing and running game than Fages weaken your team when he's in it. As for Welsby, he's played 14 SL games this season for Saints, and hasn't missed many for you. Again, how can he weaken a team that he's already in.
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Re: Daryl Powell : Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:28 am  
MorePlaymakersNeeded wrote:
Yes it is. How can Dodd have a better kicking passing and running game than Fages weaken your team when he's in it. As for Welsby, he's played 14 SL games this season for Saints, and hasn't missed many for you. Again, how can he weaken a team that he's already in.

Mainly cos he's just slotting in for injuries covering other players and just finishing off tries.

If he was at fb or stand off for a period, different pressure and expectation on him to create or be a link man.

We've not seen this yet, he's just currently popping up on the end of breaks or passes.

A la Jamie foster
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