Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:05 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Well, according to your theory Cullen should have carried all before him as a coach, because as a player he was th3 definition of average.

No my theory is exactly what I wrote about Fergie.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jul 02, 2023 6:53 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Sorry RD, but thats cobblers. Ferguson led teams to the Premiership that had no right to be in the running let alone win it, and teams that other managers wouldn't have got a tune out of.

The half time hairdryer thing was a myth - he was a superb tactician, and a brilliant motivator in thr same way Clough was.

What separated Ferguson from his peers was his ability to evolve ahead of the game. He was never wedded to a particular style or formation, beyond general principles such as always playing to win and avoiding the 'park the bus and try and nick one' type approach.

All of his big rivals - Wilkinson, Dalglish, Keegan, Wenger, Mourinho, Benitez, had their spell when they were relevant at the top and then the game moved on and they struggled to recapture their former glories as their approach had been worked out. Meanwhile Ferguson refreshed and reinvented United in ways that meant they were always able to win as the game evolved.

In rugby league you also see coaches who 'have their time' and then get left behind as the game moves on. It happened to Tony Smith and it might be happening to Powell also.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jul 02, 2023 6:55 pm  

I think it’s definitely happening to Powell

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jul 02, 2023 6:56 pm  

Possibly it had started to happen before we appointed him, from the evidence of his later years at Cas.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:39 pm  

A good few of Powell's rejects are playing out of their skins for Adrian Lam. Yes, Dita (good evening, hope you are well?), coaches are very important!

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:25 pm  

Bent&Bongser wrote:

A good few of Powell's rejects are playing out of their skins for Adrian Lam. Yes, Dita (good evening, hope you are well?), coaches are very important!

So it looks like "Powell out" is the answer then?

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:24 am  

Cokey wrote:

So it looks like "Powell out" is the answer then?

In the short term, possibly. For the long term, unlikely.

Unless the person in charge of recruitment is competent (ours hasn't been for long before Powell arrived) and you have a functioning academy, then you can fetch in who you like as coach, it won't make much difference.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:26 am  

Bent&Bongser wrote:

. Yes, Dita (good evening, hope you are well?),

I'm overlooking the Mediterranean as I type, so yes, I'd say things are OK..

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:30 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

In the short term, possibly. For the long term, unlikely.

Unless the person in charge of recruitment is competent (ours hasn't been for long before Powell arrived) and you have a functioning academy, then you can fetch in who you like as coach, it won't make much difference.

Just to challenge that point.

Leigh signed a number of players from us and, therefore it follows that, these players were previously recruited by us. These players appear to be performing at Leigh. This would indicate recruitment is not to blame in this instance.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:16 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Just to challenge that point.

Leigh signed a number of players from us and, therefore it follows that, these players were previously recruited by us. These players appear to be performing at Leigh. This would indicate recruitment is not to blame in this instance.

I think the interesting thing to watch with Leigh, is can they maintain these standards long term, or is this a one season bounce, which most clubs have had at some point in the last 20 years?

The only clubs who seem to maintain any consistency are those with good academy systems and its been almost non existent for any side reliant on outside recruitment to find consistent success.

Just out of interest with Leigh, has Lam been given full control over recruitment, or is there a Fitzpatrick type figure roaming the RL circles identifying and budgeting for their signings?