: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:40 pm  

i hate pies wrote:

i'm not criticising penny, but its the truth that the only time penny will do anything is if he has empty space ahead of him.

get johnson on the wing for safety and stability.

I suggest you watch his tries against Saints at home last year again.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:49 pm  

Rictoria Catpiss wrote:

i've said this elsewhere and i'll say it again, i\'ll concede he's nowhere near the finished article, but i do not remember any defensive problems in his 10 or so games in 2007, i don't remember him being caught out of position or looking shakey or any other coaches attacking and exploiting him which you would expect, rookie player, debut season, he'll get targetted and shown up.

i've seen it so many times before with wire wingers over the years, kettlewell, eckersley, will cowell in his first couple of seasons, jamie stenhouse.

Save for the game at knowsely road where he got switched to opposite meli and knocked around a bit, it didn't happen, is it a coincidence that this perception has arisen since king joined the club?

Again, if he were that bad it'd be bloody obvious from game 1.

if i recall correctly he did have some defensive frailties in 2007 but nobody cared because he was scoring tries and he was a rookie.
i totally agree with king inside things appear even worse and as stated
in most of the constructive posts it is the left side at fault not a witch hunt for Penny.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:51 pm  

The Wood wrote:

Please tell me your not suggesting what I think your suggesting?

That Louis Anderson comes out of line, drags king over leaving Penny all on his own? No i couldn't possibly be suggesting that as its far to obvious.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:11 pm  

Rictoria Catpiss wrote:

Again, if he were that bad it'd be bloody obvious from game 1.

IIRC, in his first game, McGuire stole the ball very cheaply from him and ran over to score? I put that down to inexperience more than anything. I vaguely remember his first games, but surely you can't be saying that King coming in meant Kev couldn't tackle? Let's be honest, at times last year people were just walking over him, I'm sure it was Leeds away that Rob Burrow ran over him to score. He just flapped and had no technique; however, towards the back end this changed, he started tackling with great technique, stopping the player and even dumping some of them in the process.

I don't want to see Kev dropped just yet unless he's going to drop King as well, seen as King was probably more guilty of defensive errors than Kev, the only thing I fear is that his confidence will be absolutely shot, as will King's, and I'm not too keen on the idea of a left side absolutely shot of confidence after game 1, but then I feel we'll batter Catalans, so I don't want them to miss out on the opportunity to get a couple of tries and so on.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:13 pm  

I bet Kevin Penny would look like a world beater playing with Gidley as his centre at Sintellins.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:23 pm  

mark_m wrote:

I bet Kevin Penny would look like a world beater playing with Gidley as his centre at Sintellins.

Put him outside Gleeson then.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:24 pm  

mark_m wrote:

I bet Kevin Penny would look like a world beater playing with Gidley as his centre at Sintellins.

You could say we already have a world class centre in Gleeson, should Penny move to right wing on a permanent basis outside Gleeson?

Because to me the King Penny partnership is just.......well there isn't one.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:40 pm  

I think we need someone like Johnson at Centre, a defensively minded centre who while direct and guide Penny. Someone that holds the ground making the attack work harder and allowing Penny not to brake his own line or trying to cover the gap that King made.

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:09 pm  

i hate pies wrote:

get johnson on the wing for safety and stability.

yes he showed great defensive qualities when Gilmour left him for dead on the outside....... imagine if Gilmour had gone round Penny some of you folks would have needed a months supply of Tenna lady..........

: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:50 pm  

gary numan wrote:

Put him outside Gleeson then.

Well that is certainly a thought. Hicks might then better at covering for the problems created on the left edge.