Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:47 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

Why? Why can’t paying fans critique the performance, seeing a capable group capitulate infront of our eyes, including conceding 40 points 3 weeks out of 4. Any stats fans know the last time we conceded 40 before Powell?

Why must we wait to see a new group of players come in, then the old “time to gel” excuse just to get to Easter next year before any criticism becomes valid.

We had a group of nearly men, we now have a disjointed group who are 80 minutes off being 11th. The signings in so far and on the horizon don’t inspire progression or change, the don’t appear to allow room for development for youth. We’ve dropped a winger and the kids despite having bad apples and bad attitudes, why not put Cooper on the naughty step if he’s such a poor pro?

But we’re to sit back, stump up our season ticket money and just accept it because he’s only been in the job since October…

Judge Powell this time NEXT year when he’s got HIS squad. Simples.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:49 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

Why? Why can’t paying fans critique the performance, seeing a capable group capitulate infront of our eyes, including conceding 40 points 3 weeks out of 4. Any stats fans know the last time we conceded 40 before Powell?

Why must we wait to see a new group of players come in, then the old “time to gel” excuse just to get to Easter next year before any criticism becomes valid.

We had a group of nearly men, we now have a disjointed group who are 80 minutes off being 11th. The signings in so far and on the horizon don’t inspire progression or change, the don’t appear to allow room for development for youth. We’ve dropped a winger and the kids despite having bad apples and bad attitudes, why not put Cooper on the naughty step if he’s such a poor pro?

But we’re to sit back, stump up our season ticket money and just accept it because he’s only been in the job since October…

Fair points.

Sorry, I should have clarified - of course you can judge and criticise at any time and decide whether to stump up season ticket money. You don't need to sit back and accept it. I think Powell will be given a minimum of another year from now at the very least.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:52 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

I have agreed with virtually all of your recent posts on Powell and recruitment. However, to be fair we've lost repeated GFs in spite of them not because of them if that's not too daft a proposition

You are quite right. The point I was trying to make was that they were/are not talismanic to success.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:02 pm  

Cooper and Hill were and have been our top performers consistently for the longest time so for me booting them out based on not enough time at the club when they carry the team on their backs most of the time doesn't fly for me. You earn your perks. They had.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:04 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

Why? Why can’t paying fans critique the performance, seeing a capable group capitulate infront of our eyes, including conceding 40 points 3 weeks out of 4. Any stats fans know the last time we conceded 40 before Powell?

Why must we wait to see a new group of players come in, then the old “time to gel” excuse just to get to Easter next year before any criticism becomes valid.

We had a group of nearly men, we now have a disjointed group who are 80 minutes off being 11th. The signings in so far and on the horizon don’t inspire progression or change, the don’t appear to allow room for development for youth. We’ve dropped a winger and the kids despite having bad apples and bad attitudes, why not put Cooper on the naughty step if he’s such a poor pro?

But we’re to sit back, stump up our season ticket money and just accept it because he’s only been in the job since October…

This group of players have underperformed for 3 different coaches over a period of say 6/7 years. If we don't give Powell chance to reboot this squad, then we'd have to get another coach in, working with these players, with the liklihood of them throwing the 4th coach underneath the bus.

A radical club cultural revolution such as this, and one which is apparently needed, will result in players getting brassed off and underperforming. This bunch have been throwing toys out the pram because they have to finish work on time and won't embrace the changes for the sake of the club - I have no sympathy with them whatsoever.

You're fully entitled not to stump up money to pay for this dross and no one would blame you, but hopefully you and others can see that without pain there's no gain. And it's painful to watch, but I have faith in Powell and will be supporting him, even if some of his players won't.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:09 pm  

WireWireWire wrote:

Cooper and Hill were and have been our top performers consistently for the longest time so for me booting them out based on not enough time at the club when they carry the team on their backs most of the time doesn't fly for me. You earn your perks. They had.

I agree that they deserve some special treatment, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the club. As leading figures, they need to be setting the example to younger players and the rest of the squad. They should be transcending the sense of importance that success depends on full commitment to the cause. Apparently some leading players weren't willing to oblige, so for me, get shut - the club's success comes first.

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:24 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

DROP HIM THEN!! Why is he starting every week if he’s too busy running a business. Can’t have it both ways!

And play who? 12 players?

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:13 pm  

Serious question for all those commenting on Cooper.

Which club do you think demands higher standards from its players. Wire or Wigan?

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:10 am  

sally cinnamon wrote: Serious question for all those commenting on Cooper. Which club do you think demands higher standards from its players. Wire or Wigan? I would have said Wigan. However, these standards are shown to slip now and again. https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/03/rugby-le ... n-7601514/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-48614514 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... on-3270253 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... k-13320476 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Longy-Brawls-S ... 1843581884

sally cinnamon wrote: Serious question for all those commenting on Cooper. Which club do you think demands higher standards from its players. Wire or Wigan? I would have said Wigan. However, these standards are shown to slip now and again. https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/03/rugby-le ... n-7601514/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-48614514 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... on-3270253 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... k-13320476 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Longy-Brawls-S ... 1843581884

Re: Cooper to Wigan confirmed : Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:12 am  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

And play who? 12 players?

He retained J Clark, so he must want him, but he’s in and out of the team. He’s let go of Butler, Robson and Doro. Longstaff has played once since Easter. That’s before you start looking at the actual academy lads.

We didn’t have a recognised winger when he dropped Charnley, that didn’t stop him. So what is the reason now?