Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:13 pm  

Perhaps they have a more determined & professional set up at our rivals. We know we have beaten these teams but can't sustain a challenge. To be successful the whole club needs a kick up it's massively under performing booty. Let's hope Big Sam is the start of revival & not just another sticking plaster to attract fans because of his reputation.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:51 pm  

ninearches wrote:

Perhaps they have a more determined & professional set up at our rivals. We know we have beaten these teams but can't sustain a challenge. To be successful the whole club needs a kick up it's massively under performing booty. Let's hope Big Sam is the start of revival & not just another sticking plaster to attract fans because of his reputation.

You are correct, of course, and we all wish Sam well. At prima facie winning 70% of our games and 3/3 (maybe 2/2) games at the end sounds less daunting than "overcoming 68 years of not winning the league". It is achievable.

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:49 pm  

Well maybe my response here should be on the 'which positions are our weakest' thread, but without Ratch, who would be our kicker?

I can't readily think of anyone near his standard - and that's a lot of points.
I hope there's a cunning plan in place......

Re: Centres : Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:46 pm  

Alffi_7 wrote:

. I asked earlier, would you have him back at Wigan on marquee wages, so having to drop one of your higher paid players to accommodate him, French or Field for example?

King as 3rd marquee only counts as 50k on the cap he is great value for money. The 3rd marquee can only be UK players n if homegrown even better. What he is paid in real life is irrelevant the club were happy to pay it at the time and that's just the way it is and let's not talk like he is on 150k a week like a footballer probable just about that a year!! Rugby league contracts are not great in terms of money to the players unless your an nrl marquee or George Williams.

Also who else in tbe squad would you rather take the 3rd spot considering a new signing will cost us 100k on cap. We might save a little on what we pay them but it takes away another 50k of cap space which is more valuable than what we would be saving.

Re: Centres : Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:05 am  

Dezzies_right_hook wrote:

King as 3rd marquee only counts as 50k on the cap he is great value for money. The 3rd marquee can only be UK players n if homegrown even better. What he is paid in real life is irrelevant the club were happy to pay it at the time and that's just the way it is and let's not talk like he is on 150k a week like a footballer probable just about that a year!! Rugby league contracts are not great in terms of money to the players unless your an nrl marquee or George Williams.

Also who else in tbe squad would you rather take the 3rd spot considering a new signing will cost us 100k on cap. We might save a little on what we pay them but it takes away another 50k of cap space which is more valuable than what we would be saving.

I understand your point, and I agree - King on £50k on the cap is good value and it maximises what we can spend on the cap by using it on him, makes sense to use the spot on him as things stand. However it’s the marquee spot he takes up that concerns me, I would rather have another George Williams or an NRL player of similar quality on the cap and have him count for £100k of cap space.

Re: Centres : Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:17 am  

Alffi_7 wrote:

I understand your point, and I agree - King on £50k on the cap is good value and it maximises what we can spend on the cap by using it on him, makes sense to use the spot on him as things stand. However it’s the marquee spot he takes up that concerns me, I would rather have another George Williams or an NRL player of similar quality on the cap and have him count for £100k of cap space.

but the 3rd marquee cannot be used on nil players can it it has to be uk based players it was about helping clubs retain players and stop them going to the NRL ?

Re: Centres : Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:00 am  

The_runaround wrote: but the 3rd marquee cannot be used on nil players can it it has to be uk based players it was about helping clubs retain players and stop them going to the NRL ? One has to be used on a Fed trained player - we have that in Williams. We could therefore use teh other two spots on NRL marquee players if we wished. The ideal would be to have as many Warrington homegrown marquees as possible as they only count as £50k on the cap, £100k for fed trained (Williams) and £150k for NRL. https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/65792315

The_runaround wrote: but the 3rd marquee cannot be used on nil players can it it has to be uk based players it was about helping clubs retain players and stop them going to the NRL ? One has to be used on a Fed trained player - we have that in Williams. We could therefore use teh other two spots on NRL marquee players if we wished. The ideal would be to have as many Warrington homegrown marquees as possible as they only count as £50k on the cap, £100k for fed trained (Williams) and £150k for NRL. https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/65792315

Re: Centres : Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:06 pm  

Alffi_7 wrote: The_runaround wrote: but the 3rd marquee cannot be used on nil players can it it has to be uk based players it was about helping clubs retain players and stop them going to the NRL ? One has to be used on a Fed trained player - we have that in Williams. We could therefore use teh other two spots on NRL marquee players if we wished. The ideal would be to have as many Warrington homegrown marquees as possible as they only count as £50k on the cap, £100k for fed trained (Williams) and £150k for NRL. https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/65792315 And this is all happening on the back of reduced sky funding & possibly lower gates if sky are planning to show all SL games & attract more stay at home fans & produce more sky profits. Seems to me this plan could have more holes than a Swiss cheese.

Alffi_7 wrote: The_runaround wrote: but the 3rd marquee cannot be used on nil players can it it has to be uk based players it was about helping clubs retain players and stop them going to the NRL ? One has to be used on a Fed trained player - we have that in Williams. We could therefore use teh other two spots on NRL marquee players if we wished. The ideal would be to have as many Warrington homegrown marquees as possible as they only count as £50k on the cap, £100k for fed trained (Williams) and £150k for NRL. https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/65792315 And this is all happening on the back of reduced sky funding & possibly lower gates if sky are planning to show all SL games & attract more stay at home fans & produce more sky profits. Seems to me this plan could have more holes than a Swiss cheese.

Re: Centres : Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:06 pm  

ninearches wrote:

Perhaps they have a more determined & professional set up at our rivals. We know we have beaten these teams but can't sustain a challenge. To be successful the whole club needs a kick up it's massively under performing booty. Let's hope Big Sam is the start of revival & not just another sticking plaster to attract fans because of his reputation.

It’s deeper than a kick up the ass.
We will always get up for a short revival every now and again, and a CC, but we will never have the annual consist top 3, unless we match them with the youth structure.
To allow Saints to pick up all those Wire lads for their academy was nothing short of impotent.

Re: Centres : Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:25 pm  

All this marquee thing is just hiding the fact that the NRL is just growing and growing. 2 Billion 5 year tv deal and looking at possible 72 million on audience on main pay Channel when they play in Las Vegas. They have deals with 3 main broadcasters.

Seen a post today that concerns its self with IMG basically bending the rules to keep London in the league based on the criteria. End of if we don’t starting growing the game here and finding more funding the marquee rule will be a waste of time because the NRL are just going to to take the best of the talent from here because they can pay way above what we can offer. So London whatever a season they have need to stay and we need more southern teams.