FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Todays Cup match v Wigan.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2844
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 06 200519 years10th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 22:2625th Nov 24 11:39LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Warrington
Signature
Ettinghausen's gone ice skatin'

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:58 am  
Phuzzy wrote:
On the double movement; if I'm not mistaken you are allowed to move your arm if you are still moving, a point that seems to be being overlooked. Promoting the ball only comes into play when your momentum is stopped. French said he thought it was a try because he was still moving and there's an argument to say he's right. Not that it mattered in the end, of course.


One of the clearest double movements you’ll ever see.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach14130
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 25 200618 years8th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 08:3623rd Nov 24 16:52LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Forum21

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:38 am  
ratticusfinch wrote:
One of the clearest double movements you’ll ever see.


I thought the delay was working out how to restart the game - i.e) double movement or knock on. Maybe I was being generous.
Phuzzy 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5504
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 19 200618 years120th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 10:4715th Nov 24 16:56LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:16 am  
ratticusfinch wrote:
One of the clearest double movements you’ll ever see.

Firstly a caveat: I'm not arguing it was a try or that it wasn't a double movement. For clarity, my first instinct was always double movement and I called it as such while watching the game. However...

We often hear that a tackle is complete when the ball carrying arm hits the ground but this isn't true. A tackle isn't complete until momentum stops. No one would claim that the tackle was complete at the point the ball carrying arm hits the floor if the player then slides over the line. In the French example, the player is still moving at the point his arm hits the floor and is still moving when he starts to move his arm. Both allowable under the rules. At the point he grounds it he has stopped moving so it depends if you regard the arm movement as during 'live play' or not.

From the BBC website (couldn't find the RFL rule explanation):

However, if the player is in the process of being tackled and the ball has not been grounded before the try line, then they can make a second movement for the score.

I'm not making a judgement either way but it probably isn't as clear cut as it would seem if you apply the incorrect "tackle complete when the ball carrying arm hits the ground".
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2844
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 06 200519 years10th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 22:2625th Nov 24 11:39LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Warrington
Signature
Ettinghausen's gone ice skatin'

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:29 am  
The ball was initially grounded 5 yards from the line….my only surprise is Wiganer Liam Moore didn’t give that itself as a try a la Wardle in the WCC.

Caveat - I know we was not robbed. Moore also responsible for both shocking yellow cards.
Phuzzy 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5504
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 19 200618 years120th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 10:4715th Nov 24 16:56LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:38 am  
ratticusfinch wrote:
The ball was initially grounded 5 yards from the line….my only surprise is Wiganer Liam Moore didn’t give that itself as a try a la Wardle in the WCC.

Caveat - I know we was not robbed. Moore also responsible for both shocking yellow cards.

Not if he was still moving, which he was :wink:

Obviously it doesn't matter either way but I thought it interesting that we all (myself included) seem to think the "tackle complete when the ball carrying arm hits the ground" is cut and dried when, of course, it isn't.
RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player187No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 23 20213 years249th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 09:441st Nov 24 16:06LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:04 pm  
TBH i thought it was a try at the time as French was still (just about) moving as he reached out to put the ball down. Those can easily go both ways.
Phuzzy 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5504
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 19 200618 years120th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 10:4715th Nov 24 16:56LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:34 pm  
wirecation wrote:
TBH i thought it was a try at the time as French was still (just about) moving as he reached out to put the ball down. Those can easily go both ways.

As I say, French himself thought it was a try which is how I came to look at it again. I initially just went with the general consensus of "tackle complete etc." Looking at the rules, though, he probably has an argument (not that he was particularly bothered either way in the end of course)
Zig 
RankPostsTeam
First Team Player2248
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 04 20222 years95th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Nov 24 18:2221st Nov 24 20:51LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:51 pm  
Here’s one for you. If Eckersley fails to ground the ball then Wigan get a penalty try (kick from in front of the post) and King is sin binned for a professional foul. Wigan in theory were penalised twice and did not commit an offence :)
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach14130
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 25 200618 years8th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 08:3623rd Nov 24 16:52LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Forum21

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:04 pm  
The rules https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... 0Rules.pdf Page 23 and 24

When tackled: 2. (A) player in possession is tackled:
Grounded (a) when he is held by one or more opposing players
and the ball or the hand or arm holding the ball
comes into contact with the ground. - this happened

When an attacking player is tackled
within easy reach of the goal line he
should be penalised if he makes a
second movement to place the ball over
the line for a try. - so did this


If an attacking player in possession
is brought down near the goal line
and the ball is not grounded it is
permissible to place the ball over
the line for a try. In this case the
tackle has not been completed. - the tackle was completed under 2 (A)

Correct decision.
The rules https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... 0Rules.pdf Page 23 and 24

When tackled: 2. (A) player in possession is tackled:
Grounded (a) when he is held by one or more opposing players
and the ball or the hand or arm holding the ball
comes into contact with the ground. - this happened

When an attacking player is tackled
within easy reach of the goal line he
should be penalised if he makes a
second movement to place the ball over
the line for a try. - so did this


If an attacking player in possession
is brought down near the goal line
and the ball is not grounded it is
permissible to place the ball over
the line for a try. In this case the
tackle has not been completed. - the tackle was completed under 2 (A)

Correct decision.
Phuzzy 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5504
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 19 200618 years120th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Nov 24 10:4715th Nov 24 16:56LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Todays Cup match v Wigan. : Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:18 pm  
Wires71 wrote:
The rules https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... 0Rules.pdf Page 23 and 24

When tackled: 2. (A) player in possession is tackled:
Grounded (a) when he is held by one or more opposing players
and the ball or the hand or arm holding the ball
comes into contact with the ground. - this happened

When an attacking player is tackled
within easy reach of the goal line he
should be penalised if he makes a
second movement to place the ball over
the line for a try. - so did this


If an attacking player in possession
is brought down near the goal line
and the ball is not grounded it is
permissible to place the ball over
the line for a try. In this case the
tackle has not been completed. - the tackle was completed under 2 (A)

Correct decision.

Well you say that but if momentum wasn't stopped he wasn't tackled as seen when a player slides over the line after being tackled short of the line.

The decision (according to those rules) depends on whether you think he was still moving when his arm hits the ground (he was) and therefore the last paragraph comes into play. If he hasn't been stopped, he hasn't been tackled even if his arm hits the ground.

This is a purely academic discussion btw as I'm happy with the decision.
Wires71 wrote:
The rules https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... 0Rules.pdf Page 23 and 24

When tackled: 2. (A) player in possession is tackled:
Grounded (a) when he is held by one or more opposing players
and the ball or the hand or arm holding the ball
comes into contact with the ground. - this happened

When an attacking player is tackled
within easy reach of the goal line he
should be penalised if he makes a
second movement to place the ball over
the line for a try. - so did this


If an attacking player in possession
is brought down near the goal line
and the ball is not grounded it is
permissible to place the ball over
the line for a try. In this case the
tackle has not been completed. - the tackle was completed under 2 (A)

Correct decision.

Well you say that but if momentum wasn't stopped he wasn't tackled as seen when a player slides over the line after being tackled short of the line.

The decision (according to those rules) depends on whether you think he was still moving when his arm hits the ground (he was) and therefore the last paragraph comes into play. If he hasn't been stopped, he hasn't been tackled even if his arm hits the ground.

This is a purely academic discussion btw as I'm happy with the decision.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: NSW, Uncle Rico, Warrior Winger and 311 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Warrington Wolves


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
1
4m
Spirit of the Rhinos
exiledrhino
2
20m
Shopping list for 2025
hull2524
5586
24m
Salford placed in special measures
Big lads mat
100
30m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2606
48m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40758
49m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63251
50m
Film game
karetaker
5707
Recent
Ground Improvements
vastman
173
Recent
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
19
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
51s
Pre Season - 2025
RockNRolla
186
56s
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40758
58s
Its all gone a bit quiet
Victor
25
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Simmo71
506
1m
Film game
karetaker
5707
2m
2025 Shirt
Warrior Wing
20
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63251
4m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
19
13m
Dual Reg
The Phantom
11
14m
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
64
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
1
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
exiledrhino
2
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Willzay
33
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Uncle Rico
33
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
1003
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
619
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1350
England's Women Demolish The W..
1176
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1412
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1203
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1457
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2002
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2205
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2453
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2015
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2257
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2725
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2149
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2227
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
1
4m
Spirit of the Rhinos
exiledrhino
2
20m
Shopping list for 2025
hull2524
5586
24m
Salford placed in special measures
Big lads mat
100
30m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2606
48m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40758
49m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63251
50m
Film game
karetaker
5707
Recent
Ground Improvements
vastman
173
Recent
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
19
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
51s
Pre Season - 2025
RockNRolla
186
56s
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40758
58s
Its all gone a bit quiet
Victor
25
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Simmo71
506
1m
Film game
karetaker
5707
2m
2025 Shirt
Warrior Wing
20
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63251
4m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
19
13m
Dual Reg
The Phantom
11
14m
Squad 2025
Miserybusine
64
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
1
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
exiledrhino
2
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Willzay
33
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Uncle Rico
33
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
1003
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
619
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1350
England's Women Demolish The W..
1176
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1412
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1203
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1457
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2002
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2205
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2453
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2015
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2257
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2725
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2149
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2227


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!