Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:53 pm  

Why do we persist in charge downs when it rarely works for us - and often results in opposition tries ?
Why did we play for the first two sets of the second half with 12 players?
Why do we field kick offs badly ?
Why do we kick off badly ?
Why does Asotasi only play 15 minutes?
Why can we pass not the ball from left to right or vice versa across the whole field and always persist with progress down the middle channel?
Why do we not take easy points when offered them? (penalties)
Why after penalties do we make errors early in the tackle count?
Why do we fade in the last 20 minutes?
Why do our centres never get the ball?

Answers needed - and changes needed. (but most of these come down to bad tactics or coaching)

Feel free to add questions or answers

Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:58 pm  

matthew wrote:

Why do we persist in charge downs when it rarely works for us - and often results in opposition tries ?
Why did we play for the first two sets of the second half with 12 players?
Why do we field kick offs badly ?
Why do we kick off badly ?
Why does Asotasi only play 15 minutes?
Why can we pass not the ball from left to right or vice versa across the whole field and always persist with progress down the middle channel?
Why do we not take easy points when offered them? (penalties)
Why after penalties do we make errors early in the tackle count?
Why do we fade in the last 20 minutes?
Why do our centres never get the ball?

Answers needed - and changes needed. (but most of these come down to bad tactics or coaching)

Feel free to add questions or answers

I'll have a go at answering those questions.
Charge downs are something Smith believes in despite the fact hey barely ever work and cost us about 95% of the time
The second one I have no idea but it sums up our season really
Poor concentration and designated players not doing their job in answer to the kick off questions
Asotasi is truly the worst player I have seen play us in a long time and I'm surprised we actually get 15 minutes from him.
We look devoid of ideas and think that we can just barge through the middle. We don't have any organisation/halves to actually plan to shift the ball in set attacking pattern
Not taking 2 is another Smith philosophy he trusts the players to make the decision but surely somewhere along the line we have to realise that taking the 2 when its there is sometimes the right idea
We tend to panic after we get a penalty and try to everything in the first few tackles and end up giving the ball away
We don't seem fit this year whether this down to the new staff or what I don't know also carrying a certain Roy Asotasi doesn't help this either or Laithwaite lately who seems to like tackling just not carrying the ball
Centres not getting any ball again is because we don't have the ability to get the ball wide or be able to string 2-3 passes together and decide to jut play one out up the centre rugby

Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:05 pm  

A game plan might be an asset, & maybe a plan B for when the going gets tough. That could be this week's job for the coaching staff.

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Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:06 pm  

I don't think Matt was asking a set of straight questions, he was asking why it is happening time and time again. Some of those errors are being made by the team, others (charge down and 2 pointers) by Smith, but they are all occurring match after match - presumably without somebody sitting down and asking why ?

TS; "Emma, can you dig through some old match videos and tell me how many times a charge down is successful please"

Emma; " Well I have looked at 25 matches Tony, and 70% of the time the charge down simply hands the ball back to the attacking team"

TS " Really ?, but still it must put pressure on the opposing side, so I think we will continue to do it anyway"

Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:15 pm  

Why do we persist in charge downs when it rarely works for us - and often results in opposition tries ? - Coaching decision
Why did we play for the first two sets of the second half with 12 players? touchline management
Why do we field kick offs badly ? lack of ability/practice - coaching
Why do we kick off badly ? lack of ability/practice - coaching
Why does Asotasi only play 15 minutes? mystery
Why can we pass not the ball from left to right or vice versa across the whole field and always persist with progress down the middle channel? lack of ability/practice - coaching
Why do we not take easy points when offered them? (penalties) Coaching decision
Why after penalties do we make errors early in the tackle count? lack of ability/practice - coaching
Why do we fade in the last 20 minutes? fitness
Why do our centres never get the ball? lack of ability/practice - coaching

not a good story

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Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:27 pm  

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result"

Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:42 pm  

Winslade's Offload wrote:

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result"

Like being a Warrington fan and turning up expecting improvement?

Re: Why? : Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:58 pm  

(but most of these come down to bad tactics or coaching)

Not down too the individual then?

Re: Why? : Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:59 am  

Some is down to the lack of ability or attitude of the individual...but some is not, which I find worrying. So lets look at who is responsible

Why do we persist in charge downs when it rarely works for us - and often results in opposition tries ? Coach
Why did we play for the first two sets of the second half with 12 players? Coach
Why do we field kick offs badly ? Player/coach
Why do we kick off badly ? Player
Why does Asotasi only play 15 minutes? Coach
Why can we pass not the ball from left to right or vice versa across the whole field and always persist with progress down the middle channel? players
Why do we not take easy points when offered them? (penalties) Coach
Why after penalties do we make errors early in the tackle count? players
Why do we fade in the last 20 minutes? players
Why do our centres never get the ball? coach

Somethings wrong with the coaching. Who is the first team skills coach?