Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:03 am  

Was that the lowest league crowd ever at the HJ ?
Wouldn't imagine KF and SM laughing at that

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:10 am  

Would i like a new coach - Yes
Will i be calling for Price's head - No

Had we lost the cup final then we would have a case... But you cant sack a man who has just delivered a trophy.

Having said that, i dont see anything other than more lacklustre displays next season.... But he has earnt the right to be the coach at the start of next season.... like it or not.

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:13 am  

Have we actually had a cup game with a lower crowd than that at the HJ?

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:21 am  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

....walked up to a microphone, and belted out Something Better Change

Forty two years on, and the words have never been so apt, regarding our club.

Bar Moran and Middleton's investment, we stink to high heaven. We lurch from apathy, to jobs for the boys, to just plain muppetry.

Apathy.
Price. Seriously. WTF is he trying to do?. In March, we took an (admittedly depleted) Hull side to the cleaners, at their ground. Risks taken, open rugby, and good old fashioned entertainment. Since then, he's put a tourniquet on ANY expansive rugby. He's literally trying to bore the opposition, and us fans, into submission.
All we have, attacking wise, is a non functioning scrum half, kicking to a one trick pony centre, as our sole attacking option. That's his game plan, in a nutshell.
Yes, the Challenge Cup was a PHENOMENAL achievement on the day (thanks to the bokklers), but that shouldn't make him untouchable.
See Van Gaal and Conte with recent FA Cup winning sides. Both sacked within days. Let's face it. We're going only one direction with him, and that's down. Let's cut our losses, before he can ruin Widdop.

Which brings me to jobs for the boys, and Briers. Again, WTF does he do? Get rid. Despite "legendary status", we don't owe the fella a living. But hold on, were going to do the same AGAIN, with Westwood. We need a totally new coaching set up, asap

Which brings me to muppetry
We'll, where do we start.
Patton. Not good enough, and on occasions, total 5h1te, tonight being a typical example
J. Clarke. The dictionary definition of average, but a very expensive one.
King. What does he do, bar catch the odd Patton bomb.

Funnily enough, going back to the thread title, 2 more Stranglers titles of the time were No More Heroes, and (get a) GRIP.

YES Moran and Middleton. Heed the words of M. Burnel, or 2020 will be a disaster, with emptying stands

Talking heads and road to nowhere would be more apt

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:37 am  

Rhino at work wrote:

Pedant mode on.

Surely it was Hugh Cornwell not Jean Jacques Burnel.

Pedant mode off.

No, JJ sang that one.

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:38 am  

Jean Jacques and Hugh were both vocalists with the Stranglers, the former sang Something Better Change, Five Minutes, and Go Buddy Go! There's a video from '77 showing JJ singing at the Hope & Anchor on youtube.

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:53 am  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

Would i like a new coach - Yes
Will i be calling for Price's head - No

Had we lost the cup final then we would have a case... But you cant sack a man who has just delivered a trophy.

Having said that, i dont see anything other than more lacklustre displays next season.... But he has earnt the right to be the coach at the start of next season.... like it or not.

I agree. Price has earned the right to put this right. We are a still a lot further ahead (and a trophy richer) than the club he joined. But put it right he must.

I disagree strongly with the criticism of Toby King. He is a very good defensive centre and came up with another trysaver last night (after three in the cup final). Do either of our centres get enough decent ball to work with? Absolutely not.

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:02 am  

Therein lies the problem. I think centre and I think of attack not defence. Genuinely what/when were these trysavers at Wembley? Watched it umpteen times and don't recall them. Put him in the second row I think he'd do better there.

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:18 am  

Continuing the musical theme, anyone know the artist and title of the tune played at half time. slightly rappy, with a funky sound.

Re: Jean Jacques Burnel 1977.... : Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:23 am  

If we are questioning coaches. What does Henderson do exactly? It is difficult to criticise the backs too much when our attacking structure and game plan are so dire. Having said that King is part of the general problem of lack of pace in the team. Lack of pace has been a problem for years and that hasn’t been addressed. Look at Mamo yesterday. He’s not the greatest player to walk the earth but he’s bar far the quickest player in the squad and his pace at least gave Cas something to worry about.

It’s difficult with Patten but Price has made a mistake. He’s nowhere near good enough and yesterday was probably his worst performance. Dean probably should have been given a try instead of Smith. He’s probably too young and raw but maybe he could have been ok with a few games under his belt.