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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm  
Call it what you like,but it was a spear like movement on the player that could've resulted in a very very serious injury.
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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:56 pm  
Cokey wrote:
Call it what you like,but it was a spear like movement on the player that could've resulted in a very very serious injury.


100% agree
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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:52 pm  
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Well do you think JP was trying to do an handstand? :shock:


Well do you not agree the clip you have now added gives a better perspective - and for me it’s not as I would see as a spear tackle as the tackler didn’t put downwards pressure, but he was very lucky how Pownall landed, could have ended a lot worse.

Be interesting to see how the panel read it
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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:04 pm  
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Well do you not agree the clip you have now added gives a better perspective - and for me it’s not as I would see as a spear tackle as the tackler didn’t put downwards pressure, but he was very lucky how Pownall landed, could have ended a lot worse.

Be interesting to see how the panel read it


Blimey!The whole incident was dangerous, even looking at both the still and the motion clips.

Well i hope they read it as the same as when Mata’utia tackled Matt Parcell in the CC, when he never landed on his head either, and got a 4 match ban.
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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:18 pm  
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Call it what you like,but it was a spear like movement on the player that could've resulted in a very very serious injury.


Spot on! :thumb: I seem to remember when 'you know who' got done, on a couple of occasions - the charge mentioned "potential to cause serious injury."
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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:32 pm  
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Blimey!The whole incident was dangerous, even looking at both the still and the motion clips.

Well i hope they read it as the same as when Mata’utia tackled Matt Parcell in the CC, when he never landed on his head either, and got a 4 match ban.

Totally agree Derek about Matatia and his tackle on Parcell, Cokey knows. :wink:
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Re: spear tackle : Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:54 pm  
15.1 (d) Uses a dangerous throw. B-D Lifting player into dangerous posistion.
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Re: spear tackle : Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:46 am  
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Blimey!The whole incident was dangerous, even looking at both the still and the motion clips.

Well i hope they read it as the same as when Mata’utia tackled Matt Parcell in the CC, when he never landed on his head either, and got a 4 match ban.


The two incidents had one major difference, Mata'utia drove Parcell into the ground with some force and it was clearly head/neck head first, the disciplinary committee clearly has no option under its on-field sentencing guidelines but to cite that as either grade E or grade F, they chose grade E and gave him the minimum 4-game ban. Luke Briscoe was found guilty of a smilar spear tackle in 2017, again it was classed as a Grade E and he was given a 5-game ban

This incident won't come under the category of a spear tackle as that specifically includes driving the man into the ground head or neck first. It will presumably be classed as a dangerous throw, which usually comes between categories B and D, although it could at a pinch stretch to category E if they decide he "threw the player into the ground".

Therer are very specific categories, with specific penalties, for each class of offence, which of course doesn't stop fans trying to claim bias against their team by pointing out offences affecting their own players which brought about a different ban. There is always of course going to be a degree of subjectivity when deciding which category and degree of seriousness to apply, but if you follow the disciplinary process closely, and with an unbiased eye, there is actually far more consistency than a lot of fans tend to believe.
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Re: spear tackle : Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:04 am  
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The two incidents had one major difference, Mata'utia drove Parcell into the ground with some force and it was clearly head/neck head first, the disciplinary committee clearly has no option under its on-field sentencing guidelines but to cite that as either grade E or grade F, they chose grade E and gave him the minimum 4-game ban. Luke Briscoe was found guilty of a smilar spear tackle in 2017, again it was classed as a Grade E and he was given a 5-game ban

This incident won't come under the category of a spear tackle as that specifically includes driving the man into the ground head or neck first. It will presumably be classed as a dangerous throw, which usually comes between categories B and D, although it could at a pinch stretch to category E if they decide he "threw the player into the ground".

Therer are very specific categories, with specific penalties, for each class of offence, which of course doesn't stop fans trying to claim bias against their team by pointing out offences affecting their own players which brought about a different ban. There is always of course going to be a degree of subjectivity when deciding which category and degree of seriousness to apply, but if you follow the disciplinary process closely, and with an unbiased eye, there is actually far more consistency than a lot of fans tend to believe.


So, the MRP also use the "potential to cause" card when they feel like it too.

It's a load o bollox of you ask me.
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Re: spear tackle : Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:18 am  
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So, the MRP also use the "potential to cause" card when they feel like it too.

It's a load o bollox of you ask me.


Good 'cover all', that one. Let's face it, in RL these days, every tackle has the potential to 'cause serious injury'!
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