: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:28 pm  

The Kevster! wrote:

Entitled to your opinion but the fact he scores almost every game is evidence of "damage".

As a full back beating the first man is always a good marker as well and he does that quite a lot also.

Defensively I'd say Donlan is better for sure and Stuart isn't a centre thats for sure.

Agree, but not coming inside and getting smashed into touch aint brill either!

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:04 pm  

jason b wrote:

Your in dreamland mate. What do you want Neil too do? You cant make bad players play good rugby. We have no decent half backs except Durbin. I will no doubt get slated for this but Watson it dire, slow, Readable, crap kicking game. Marsh so slow its unbeliveable he is never a stand off. Ridyard sorry i think hes had his chance and just isn't good enough.
Forwards: totally outplayed for the whole of the game today. Which forwrds would you honestly keep from our current squad? Maybe Hill, armistead? who else honestly?
backs: tbh dont think our backs are that our backs are that bad. we jus need a scrum half and stand off. No coach in this league could make that team enjoyable to watch.

Been saying that all season but several on here know better

Now the truth is, apart from those several on here who sing his praises I know of no one else who thinks the same. I speak with MANY fans who ALL say he is too slow in everything he does on attack (ok he defends but a scrum half should be causing problems in the opponents defence). To add backing to my view I could give you several names of past players who agree with my opinion (incl. one - probably the best ever scrum half in the world, one - an ex GB halfback, one - an ex GB prop) who all say he is bobbins (or words to that effect ). I think these guys are pretty good judges. Before anyone says "who else have we got", I know, it is NOW a problem but why did we re-sign him?

Why have we gone worse each season and why are we paying off coaches to be replaced by others who produce worse results - Are we now better for sacking Darren Shaw Financially & performances I would say a big NO!

I think someone needs to make some big decisions pretty quick before it's too late. How come teams like Batley, Sheffield, Doncaster etc with home support of 400 'ish, put together a half decent team that competes with us who have 1800'ish home fans. (Don't say it's because of LSV rent because this scenario has happened regularly over the last few years). They all don't have backers with ££££££'s to spare i'm sure.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:50 pm  

Leigh24.7 wrote:

Why have we gone worse each season and why are we paying off coaches to be replaced by others who produce worse results - Are we now better for sacking Darren Shaw Financially & performances I would say a big NO!

Which is why there's no point in calling for NK's head.

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:20 pm  

jason b wrote:

Your in dreamland mate. What do you want Neil too do? You cant make bad players play good rugby. We have no decent half backs except Durbin. I will no doubt get slated for this but Watson it dire, slow, Readable, crap kicking game. Marsh so slow its unbeliveable he is never a stand off. Ridyard sorry i think hes had his chance and just isn't good enough.
Forwards: totally outplayed for the whole of the game today. Which forwrds would you honestly keep from our current squad? Maybe Hill, armistead? who else honestly?
backs: tbh dont think our backs are that our backs are that bad. we jus need a scrum half and stand off. No coach in this league could make that team enjoyable to watch.

You've got the answer to our problems then, play Durbin instead of Watson and our troubles are over! you don't think are backs are bad?

: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:47 pm  

Skybet puts now Toulouse in third place to win the Championship grand final behind Halifax and Widnes. There is no shame losing to them away in France. Leigh is a great team and I am sure they will do very well in the rest of the competition.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:05 am  

You guys don't realise that Toulouse had several former Super League and international players in there:

Eric Anselme (13 - loose) Leeds Rhinos and France
Matthieu Griffi (8 - prop) Catalans and France
Sebastien Planas (4 - centre) France
Olivier Pramil (16 - prop) Hull KR (NL1) and France
Sylvain Houles - London Broncos and Wakefield

They had no preseason preparation (the friendlies were called off because of bad weather). So they are now just starting their season in terms of form.

They are certainties to make the playoffs and they will thump a lot of fancied sides at home. So no disgrace to Leigh.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:51 am  

Alice's Phallus wrote:

You guys don't realise that Toulouse had several former Super League and international players in there:

Eric Anselme (13 - loose) Leeds Rhinos and France
Matthieu Griffi (8 - prop) Catalans and France
Sebastien Planas (4 - centre) France
Olivier Pramil (16 - prop) Hull KR (NL1) and France
Sylvain Houles - London Broncos and Wakefield

They had no preseason preparation (the friendlies were called off because of bad weather). So they are now just starting their season in terms of form.

They are certainties to make the playoffs and they will thump a lot of fancied sides at home. So no disgrace to Leigh.

They are undoubtedly a good side with good players, who are just beginning to gel. What disappointed us, was the apparent lack of commitment and a serious lack of skill/class, shown by our team.

Oh, and by the way, if SL experience is a yardstick, I think eight of yesterday's Leigh team have had SL experience! The difference being - there are former SL players, and good former SL players!

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:55 am  

Totally agree, Alice's Phallus. Can understand Leigh fans being upset by the performance yesterday, but all the talk of possible relegation etc is not realistic, based on your matches so far. I know you are disappointed with your style of play at the moment and I can understand that. However, I think you are being far too generous in your estimation of other teams. As I have posted previously on here, you have now played all the so called top teams, except for Fax. Be honest, until yesterday, did any of them look much better than you? They did not. Toulouse look a very very good side at this level. Any supporters of other clubs who are feeling smug about this result are also going to get one hell of a shock when they go to Toulouse. IMO , so far this season, clubs such as Fev, Widnes, Haven have been playing a very similar style to you. They do not look any better than you and that is why you beat two of them. All the wins you have had so far have not been flukes. In general in rugby, the best team does win on the day. For the first time this season, you have been thumped and though not good for your fans to see, plenty of other fans will now suffer the same fate against Toulouse. A lot of teams in this league do not seem capable of playing a brand of rugby like Toulouse did yesterday, so far this season. Do not imagine that all the other teams are much better than you. They are not. It will be a tight league. Lots of teams will take points off each other.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:38 am  

Leahs-a-Leyther wrote:

No coach could make a competitive team out of the current squad

What a load of b0ll0cks!!

This could be a very competant team at this level.

Coaching is understanding what your players are capable of, if you ask them to do something they are not capable of then they will under perform, if you coach them to play in a way that is below what they are capable of they will under perform.

So understanding there capabilities is a MAJOR component in getting a group of players to be successful as a TEAM.

FFS.................Donlan at CENTRE says it all, Lee Marsh half fit even in the squad is insanity, and the list goes on and on.

Overall the squad should be more than able to compete if understood and coached in a manner that allows them to use their abilities and strengths to their advantage.

ALL TEAMS HAVE WEAKNESS WITHIN THEM....................

Playing to your own weakness is asking for trouble.

All I will say is this.................................

If this continues then it is a FAILING OF THE CLUB AS A WHOLE at all levels.

FFS somebody sort this out.

: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:35 pm  

Ja I bet my leetle libeling cud surt ot dis mess bring in my leetle obstkuchen der duften Biene herr flik he would be one for de kellys eye, hey my eengleesh is getting butter no?