Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:30 am  

Montyburns wrote:

We knew it was coming nothing you can do he done the crime now got to do the time

Who told you, Sky Television? Rugby League Express?

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:34 am  

Ste100Centurions wrote:

While you are obviously quite correct on your potential for further injury comments, I have to contest the "sparked out" remark !

IMHO Bird was never "sparked out", he was moving, he had both arms in the air & it is a widely held rumour that Bird told Acton to F.O while prostrate on the floor !
Furthermore, if Bird was "sparked out" from a head injury/concussion, why did he return to be influential & play better than he had pre 'injury' & why exactly was he allowed to return. I feel that the answer may be that he was 'NEVER' injured & was trying to deflect from his late hit on our kicker & 6 Ben Reynolds who was indeed 'actually injured.

There can be no denying that Acton deserved a ban, however how does Actons 9 SL match ban possibly compare to the 10 match ban served by Ben Flower for the outrageous & callous attack on Lance Hohaia who suffered very 'real' injury as a result ?

I dont think that many Leigh fans would be too aggrieved to see Acton receive 6 or 7 matches but 9 compared to Flowers 10 + 1 WCC is to be quite frank, ludicrous.

Totally agree Ste. BTW - This decision MUST be appealed against, and the RFL must be challenged with the best sports lawyer the club can get their hands on. What i find disturbing though, is some so called Leigh fans seem to welcome the outcome and would offload him - Well I'll tell you now, they're NOT Leigh fans at all. We'll be playing tick and pass in tutu's next.

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:49 am  

jools wrote:

I think the key here is not what injury was done by Acton - but what injury COULD have already been done prior to what he did and how acton's actions could have impacted on that.
Two rugby players have lost their lives in the last 12 months to accidental head injuries. Imagine if he'd have done that in a similar situation. Imagine if Bird had, for instance, cracked a neck vertebrae in the previous collision - what Acton did COULD have had a massive impact as he had no way of knowing the extent of birds injuries before he did what he did. He's lucky it's just 9- and I reckon Leigh expected this given they spent all that time preparing.

The only thing 'cracked' in this incident is Ben Reynolds Nose after Greg Birds challenge! Nobody seems to be interested in Reynolds, I'd love to know if Ben thought it was a late high shot from 'Lazerus' !
I can 'Imagine' all kind of scenarios, lets say for instance that in the forthcoming 8s, Gaz Hock decides to challenge Luke Walsh in the same way as Bird did Reynolds and breaks Walsh's Nose! can you 'Imagine' what Sky would make of that or indeed, the rest of RL world?
I'm not sure which team you support however, I know your Coach would soon add Jamie to your squad, given half a chance

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:50 am  

jools wrote:

I think the key here is not what injury was done by Acton - but what injury COULD have already been done prior to what he did and how acton's actions could have impacted on that.
Two rugby players have lost their lives in the last 12 months to accidental head injuries. Imagine if he'd have done that in a similar situation. Imagine if Bird had, for instance, cracked a neck vertebrae in the previous collision - what Acton did COULD have had a massive impact as he had no way of knowing the extent of birds injuries before he did what he did. He's lucky it's just 9- and I reckon Leigh expected this given they spent all that time preparing.

But is that a consideration that the panel consistently use? If so, how come bad cannonball tackles are only getting 1 match bans as opposed to 3 or 4?

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:53 am  

Cokey wrote:

Totally agree Ste. BTW - This decision MUST be appealed against, and the RFL must be challenged with the best sports lawyer the club can get their hands on. What i find disturbing though, is some so called Leigh fans seem to welcome the outcome and would offload him - Well I'll tell you now, they're NOT Leigh fans at all. We'll be playing tick and pass in tutu's next.

hi Cokey,

When I suggested offloading him, it was partly tongue-in-cheek - suggesting that if he played elsewhere, his 'crimes' may be viewed more favourably. I have always maintained that he can be a top English prop, but to get there, his stupid behaviour has to be controlled. And most of it is stupid, rather than violent. He had to be suspended this time, because his actions MIGHT have had serious consequences. But nine matches is ridiculous, when he didn't actually injure the player - as indeed was his four match ban for pushing Flanagan in the back last season. (Ratchford pushed a retreating Leigh player in the back, two weeks ago, and wasn't even cited) I don't dispute that he invites disciplinary action for his misdemeanours, but it is infuriating to see other players get away with similar, and some times worse, crimes.

Take his ban for tripping, late in the Wigan game. No question that he was guilty, and deserved the suspension. Yet Richie Myler has been found guilty, by the same disciplinary process, seven, yes SEVEN, times in just over two years - and still hasn't been banned for it. So, despite his lack of discipline, I will always believe Acton is being treated differently to other players.

However, my doubt remains - can we really afford to have a good player suspended for half of each season and, if he moved to Leeds for example, would his indiscipline be treated more leniently, by the disciplinary process?

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:55 am  

jools wrote:

Absolutely the game is tough enough- and yes any player Could potentially be injured- so why would any player grab another who had appeared to sustain a head injury in that manner - But Greg bird was "sparked out" on the floor as far as Acton was concerned. Watching on tv it appeared that way to me.
What ifs is exactly what should be looked at - the welfare of players should be absolutely paramount- yes they are paid- bu they do it for entertainment!

No, he was spark out as far as you're concerned, as far as Acton was concerned he'd hit his team mate late and only he'll know what state he saw Bird in.

It was a stupid thing to do, as would rather he concentrate on knocking people onto the floor, rather than grabbing people already on the floor. But thought 6-7 games would be a fairer reflection.

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:01 am  

Harold Rigby Jnr wrote:

Acton banned due to his very own stupidity and yet again missing a huge sizeable chunk of the middle 8's for the second year running.

He is available for Leigh selection less than Willie Tonga ! First game back from a previous suspension and quite frankly 11 visits to the RFL in 18 months is ridiculous. He was in the last chance saloon some time ago as far as I am concerned.

How often do we see Hill, Amor, Cuthbertson, Walmsley or Simms before the committee?

Time to off load the Pratt and make him someone else's problem.

They probably don't visit Red Hall quite as much however, none are Angels and Hilly got clean away with elbowing one player then Head Butting another in the Widnes game! What would Jamie have got?
I saw Sims deliberately stand on a players hand! he got one/two matches? What would Jaimie have got?
Walmsley too has been up this season (cant remember the incident )
The others have all been up too!
In Jamie's case he does NOT get treated the same and, Jamie's 'offences' are for far less serious incidents too!
p.s. Glad to see back on this Forum Harold

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:06 am  

Alan wrote:

hi Cokey,

When I suggested offloading him, it was partly tongue-in-cheek - suggesting that if he played elsewhere, his 'crimes' may be viewed more favourably. I have always maintained that he can be a top English prop, but to get there, his stupid behaviour has to be controlled. And most of it is stupid, rather than violent. He had to be suspended this time, because his actions MIGHT have had serious consequences. But nine matches is ridiculous, when he didn't actually injure the player - as indeed was his four match ban for pushing Flanagan in the back last season. (Ratchford pushed a retreating Leigh player in the back, two weeks ago, and wasn't even cited) I don't dispute that he invites disciplinary action for his misdemeanours, but it is infuriating to see other players get away with similar, and some times worse, crimes.

Take his ban for tripping, late in the Wigan game. No question that he was guilty, and deserved the suspension. Yet Richie Myler has been found guilty, by the same disciplinary process, seven, yes SEVEN, times in just over two years - and still hasn't been banned for it. So, despite his lack of discipline, I will always believe Acton is being treated differently to other players.

However, my doubt remains - can we really afford to have a good player suspended for half of each season and, if he moved to Leeds for example, would his indiscipline be treated more leniently, by the disciplinary process?

Yes i get all that Alan for sure,but it's time the RFL were challenged for their inconsistent punishment and unjustified bans given to Jamie. I don't condone for one minute his silly behaviour, but to receive all these bans when he hasn't even hurt anyone is getting on my T**S.

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:08 am  

LeythIg wrote:

No, he was spark out as far as you're concerned, as far as Acton was concerned he'd hit his team mate late and only he'll know what state he saw Bird in.

It was a stupid thing to do, as would rather he concentrate on knocking people onto the floor, rather than grabbing people already on the floor. But thought 6-7 games would be a fairer reflection.

Me too, but you know what the RFL are like.

Re: Jamie Acton : Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:12 am  

Cokey wrote:

Totally agree Ste. BTW - This decision MUST be appealed against, and the RFL must be challenged with the best sports lawyer the club can get their hands on. What i find disturbing though, is some so called Leigh fans seem to welcome the outcome and would offload him - Well I'll tell you now, they're NOT Leigh fans at all. We'll be playing tick and pass in tutu's next.

Definitely!

Lewis Galbraith, of Rochdale recently picked up an eight match ban, after a drawn out case, for Grade F "unacceptable behaviour". He appealed, and the ban was withdrawn completely. This one was about what Galbraith said/didn't say. Witnesses were adamant that they heard him say something, but an element of doubt was brought into the appeal, and the suspension withdrawn.