Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:07 pm  

Sheepridge Giant wrote:

TBC,you don't need me to stick up for you,but for my twopennerth you are well entitled to your opinion,regardless of whether I myself agree with you or not.

We seem to have lurkers on here who contribute little themselves in terms of thought provoking posts,just turn up to criticise others who do.

If you buy a season ticket,you have the right to moan.

could not of put that second sentence any better myself! spot on.

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:10 pm  

Danril wrote:

Brown lacked any kind of spark last season though and once it was announced he was off he looked plain disinterested.

It would have been nice to have gotten Gaskell but I think much will depend on winning the ruck and getting quick PTB's. If we do that, more often that not, we will play exciting stuff.

kev brown was injured but carried on playing (required ankle surgery) and was also being played out of position.

stella has made some good points.

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:23 pm  

Kev Brown was disinterested, EOS. He gave up. Half the team needed surgery. Did Eorl give up? As for the position thing, well, that's a matter of opinion depending on what position he played in given he played centre, stand off and loose forward in his time with us.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:46 pm  

Danril wrote:

Kev Brown was disinterested, EOS. He gave up. Half the team needed surgery. Did Eorl give up? As for the position thing, well, that's a matter of opinion depending on what position he played in given he played centre, stand off and loose forward in his time with us.

I dont agree with you on Brown.

Brown was a very lightweight loose forward playing with a very lightweight pack. He was getting battered week in and week out ( partly because the pack was not able to control the middle of the park). That significantly affected his performances but also had a knock on for the rest of the team. Our backs did so much defending they were being sucked into the middle and then being made to look daft when the ball was thrown out wide.

By the end of the season George, Jerry and everyone else we played on the wings looked crap ( and certainly looked worse than Brown did). In fact did not jerry look so bad he got dropped.

This is the problem with trying to identify who played well and who did not on last seasons form. Because the team was playing so badly everyone tended to look bad whether they were or not.

The only player all season who did not look to be playing badly was Eorl.

Every other player appears to have been mentioned at various times as having a bad season Lunt, Grix, Fergy, Gilly , Patrick, Brough, leroy, Mason .

Were they all bad, are they all bad ( ala Brown) or were they players playing out of position in a bad team who were made to look bad due to some strange decisions by NB.?

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:49 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

could not of put that second sentence any better myself! spot on.

Guess it takes all of us to venture an opinion,even though we may get shot down for it,it's what keeps this board alive.

If we didn't,the only thing the lurkers would have left would be to go play with themselves

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:01 pm  

There is no one person to blame for what happened last season. Injuries took their toll on everyone and everyone made mistakes from the coach downwards. Whilst it may seem nice and convenient to blame all our woes on NB and his selections I am completely convinced that is not the only thing that was going on that stuffed things up. The way KB departed is reason enough to suss that something wasn't right. Cas away; that is what did it for me.

I think it's fair to say that we lack a leader of men and that is a big thing. Players looked to Brown as captain to lead by example or lead with words. He did neither. Was it his fault he was picked as captain? No. I'm not saying he was the only one that gave up either. But he did give up.

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:28 pm  

Yes Danril there was no one person to blame and what went on behind the scenes may never be revealed but something most certainly did.Rugby players rarely capitulate, the game itself lends itself to integrity and honesty,I would not blame NB for all the woes at the Giants but he may have been able to handle it better along with a few others.

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:12 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

I dont agree with you on Brown.

Brown was a very lightweight loose forward playing with a very lightweight pack. He was getting battered week in and week out ( partly because the pack was not able to control the middle of the park). That significantly affected his performances but also had a knock on for the rest of the team. Our backs did so much defending they were being sucked into the middle and then being made to look daft when the ball was thrown out wide.

By the end of the season George, Jerry and everyone else we played on the wings looked crap ( and certainly looked worse than Brown did). In fact did not jerry look so bad he got dropped.

This is the problem with trying to identify who played well and who did not on last seasons form. Because the team was playing so badly everyone tended to look bad whether they were or not.

The only player all season who did not look to be playing badly was Eorl.

Every other player appears to have been mentioned at various times as having a bad season Lunt, Grix, Fergy, Gilly , Patrick, Brough, leroy, Mason .

Were they all bad, are they all bad ( ala Brown) or were they players playing out of position in a bad team who were made to look bad due to some strange decisions by NB.?

It was a very strange season,it started with NB stating very early we were going mobile because of reduction to interchange,& then seeing us cutting opposition teams apart.

Then it degenerated into farce because our converted props got knackered.NB would have been sacked well before the SF,but was given the chance to get us to Wembley.Some players stopped trying,which I honestly don't recall seeing from any Fartown team in all my years of watching them,some of them made it so obvious.

They are going on about our quality ob's but some of them have read their own publicity,one of the most important aspects of stopping quality attack is to realise the threat,get up and in and stop the danger,They weren't committed enough to that last year,they just liked to carry the ball and show off.

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:33 pm  

They stopped trusting their inside players, which is understandable

Brown should have been sacked after Magic Weekend IMO.

Re: Half Backs for 2013 confirmed! : Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:19 pm  

Danril wrote:

There is no one person to blame for what happened last season. Injuries took their toll on everyone and everyone made mistakes from the coach downwards. Whilst it may seem nice and convenient to blame all our woes on NB and his selections I am completely convinced that is not the only thing that was going on that stuffed things up. The way KB departed is reason enough to suss that something wasn't right. Cas away; that is what did it for me.

I think it's fair to say that we lack a leader of men and that is a big thing. Players looked to Brown as captain to lead by example or lead with words. He did neither. Was it his fault he was picked as captain? No. I'm not saying he was the only one that gave up either. But he did give up.

Agree mate, Cas away was the turning point for me too - the fact that Brough - in view and earshot of most of us was yelling at our supposed captain and using industrial language towards him , failed to motivate Brown or even get a reaction, he moped off to the wing and sulked - that signalled to me that this was a guy who had had enough and didnt want to know anymore.
Shame cos he was a good servant and we could have done with the 2009/10 Kev Brown.